Nice France terrorist attack

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An arab speaker says allah. allah is properly translated as allah in english. Only the ignorant or those with an agenda would try to equate allah with God. allah and the God of the Bible are two different entities because things that are different are not the same.

Allah is a transliteration. God is the translation.

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question for Saludeen. I was a Baha'i for some time but fell out with that group for several reasons but the primary one being that they claimed all of these prophets from various religions were different manifestations of the same god (usual syncretic BS) but they ignored the many contradictions of those "divine manifestations". I always wondered the same about Islam. It claims to honor Jesus/Isa as a prophet but ignores all of the messages Jesus/Isa spoke (his attributed words contradict many of Islams). How do you reconcile a belief in Jesus/Isa's teachings with the fact they contradict what Muhammad claimed?

Then they aren't his teachings. Are you referring to the Bible?

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ilaha - إله

One of the most important declarations in Islam is "la ilaha illallah" - there is no god but God - لا إله إلا الله

Well that seems to suggest Allah is a name for god ^^ Tuough if other religions use the same word, I guess not! That is not particularly important to me though.

You sknow greeted that Sharia is not a part of Islam, does that mean you reject it? Are you a part of a specific sect of Islam that shares your interpretation? I am curious because your view seems to contrast sharply with majority Muslim opinion throughout the world.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then they aren't his teachings. Are you referring to the Bible?

Yeah the Bible or Dead Sea Scrolls. The source of information regarding Jesus life and teachings that existed 600 years before Muhammad came along. There are some 5000+ old manuscripts of the bible that align pretty damn well. Is the Muslim understanding of Jesus all based on words from Muhammad? How do you reconcile that it is incompatible with Christ teachings. Things like "live by the sword die by the sword" "render unto ceaser..." "the good Samaritan" etc pretty much anti-statist, anti-war, anti-discrimination positions that the Islamic world has inverted to justify their militant history and present terror campaigns.

[sOurDieSel]

It's just the 'Religion of Peace' being 'Nice.'

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by sOurDieSel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's just the 'Religion of Peace' being 'Nice.'

Fucking nice.

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[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well that seems to suggest Allah is a name for god ^^ Tuough if other religions use the same word, I guess not! That is not particularly important to me though.

You sknow greeted that Sharia is not a part of Islam, does that mean you reject it? Are you a part of a specific sect of Islam that shares your interpretation? I am curious because your view seems to contrast sharply with majority Muslim opinion throughout the world.

To God are the best names. So its more about sincerity and intention (17:110). It doesn't make sense to refer to God as Zeus or Jesus or Cthulu because those don't refer to the Creator, the All-Mighty, Lord of the Worlds, the Generous, the Rich, the Praiseworthy, Seer, Hearer, All-Knowing, Most Wise, Master of the Day of Judgement.

I reject Sharia law because its man made from corrupt books called hadiths. God sent the Qur'an, not hadiths, regardless of what sunni or shia sectarians say. The majority of "Muslims" may be Sunni but the only non-sectarian form of Islam is one from the Qur'an alone reinforced by reasoning.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
17:110 Say: "Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names." And do not be too loud in making your contact prayer, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.

May God bless you and admit you to Paradise with rivers flowing beneath.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
17:110 Say: "Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names." And do not be too loud in making your contact prayer, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.

May God bless you and admit you to Paradise with rivers flowing beneath.

Seems like Muhammad was familiar with the bible according to the above verse(lords prayer Mathew 6:6) . So why did he ignore all of the other verses?

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah the Bible or Dead Sea Scrolls. The source of information regarding Jesus life and teachings that existed 600 years before Muhammad came along. There are some 5000+ old manuscripts of the bible that align pretty damn well. Is the Muslim understanding of Jesus all based on words from Muhammad? How do you reconcile that it is incompatible with Christ teachings. Things like "live by the sword die by the sword" "render unto ceaser..." "the good Samaritan" etc pretty much anti-statist, anti-war, anti-discrimination positions that the Islamic world has inverted to justify their militant history and present terror campaigns.

I predict you're just trying to make a claim that "Islam is X" where X is anything negative. Islam teaches us to submit to God alone and do good, which is what Isa taught. Anything specific should be judged in light of that.

So what specific teaching do you have a problem with?
I don't expect you to read multiple paragraphs of explanations.

But i'll start with "live by the sword". Isa didn't teach pacifism. Pacifism is how millions of people get murdered by despotic governments. Self defense and fighting against evil is necessary for justice and peace on earth, even if we hate war.
According to Christians if an innocent person was being killed, they would stand by and watch because to attack or stop the criminal would be violent and hypocritical. That's not what Isa taught. Any good Muslim would immediately stand up for the innocent regardless of their religion, unless they're an obvious criminal.

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by sOurDieSel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's just the 'Religion of Peace' being 'Nice.'

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
17:42 Say: "If there had been gods with Him as they say, then they would have tried to gain a way to the Throne."