New ToV Racing Rules

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Turp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are damn wrong. A/A would gladly take lower variance , even though it helps casuals. The shit is not fun. Play both sides before ya speak.
I have spoke to leaders and officers of your casual guild and literraly damn near begged them and explained to them how lower variance would help them. And they fought me. Not A/A . I am on no side. I am a ever crack junky. We are not here to attack you. and PLEASE when did TMO secretly agree (not make a public rant about it) to give away kunark/classic mobs for 3 or whatever weeks like A/A recently agreed to.

Now onto the leaders. Put up or shut up.
I have had 7 or more casual guild leaders and officers that were going into the most recent GM meeting fight with me. What about? Oh yea , lowering variance. But then the same fucking people bitch about top end taking all the mobs. WTF are ya guys smoking? You should get in this convo because you know who you are because I tried to help you BEFORE the meeting and you all was worried about dumb shit that has not , and will not , help you 1 damn bit.
Races? Rules? oh yea "this will help the casual" . Get fucking real.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Maybe because I am not in a casual guild they just assume I was trying to harm them? but i don't think that would even hold up. Well it wouldn't if you have a higher than mental retardation IQ. Because you would see the bigger picture.
Good luck racing A/A I can tell you for a fact a lower variance would HELP YOU.
Races , will not. We blast past you and tag that FTE all day everyday... but please prove me wrong. All you that ignored or fought my plea for you to ask for a lower variance. All you leaders and officers that literally have excuses (hope they post them its hilarious) that lower variance would hurt you.

Top end is not the blood thirsty people of last few years, in fact most them are gone and just a few remain. Why do you think A/A just made an agreement to leave kunark and classic to the casuals for 3 or whatever weeks. Its because we hate you and want you to die? ... nope. Please remove head from ass and again see the bigger picture. The overwhelming majority of the people you speak of are GONE. They left when class R otation was forced.

ps please post the excuses you fed me. Your "reason" for fighting for races instead of lower variance. You obviously didn't discuss it with your members because the shit talk is rampant. And what I said to you is common sense in the MMO world.
Please post our conversations to the public. It was PMs so I won't do it right now, but if u same people keep saying dumb shit I have no choice but to show the public your ridiculous paper thin arguments. These guild leaders I speak of , are "leaders" that are leading their people to being totally dominated by A/A and reduced to handouts . You people are wrong. Maybe let the public tell you because you all ignored me and fought me on variance , then you turn around and fought for... races.
Jeeze
smh

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[Mistle]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The rules were always simple in NTOV/all other high end velious content get FTE, don't stall, don't train and wipe each other, no more than 2 trackers, trackers can't get FTE. Anyone can get a realistic shot at a mob, with those rules. Casuals just won't put in the 16 hour window tracking times to get said best loot, against the raiding guilds that would smash them hard. I mean they are willing to track 16 hour windows for all that kunark shit that we all but have abandoned. So, its really not about they window of time, its that they would face and loose time and time again against A/A, completely demoralizing them.

Rules were in some effect made better for casuals by sirken. They get full hour to get their shit together and kill a mob after FTE, no more stalling called on a mob that took all of 1 min too long. Some were made rules made worse for casuals, they now have to have large FTE teams instead of a coth mage and a single puller. But still casuals never bother to show. They have the desire to get BiS items, but have no desire to compete against A/A to get it. They will wine and cry to get more rules made, so that ultimately they wont have to compete for it.

Yeah this is exactly the kind of shitty attitude I was referring to, the kind that makes pretty much everyone from outside this server look at people like you with the biggest "wtf?" expressions on their faces.

Listen. No one is afraid of "competing" against you. What people have a problem with is the absolute ridiculous lengths this "competition" has gone to. It's not just having to track for a mob for up to sixteen hours, that's plenty bad enough and variance is fucking cancer. No. It's the fucking level of dedication you need to put into how it is tracking now to win anything.

Maybe people disassociated with current raiding don't know what I am talking about, what Arum is desperately trying to downplay. You don't just track a mob and then race to it nowadays. People are literally setting up a skype live stream for everyone in their guild to watch. You stare at this stream. You can't look away for a second, because that's all it takes. The race will be won by the person who was literally staring at the screen eyes locked forward at the time the mob spawned, for HOURS. Look away for a second? You just lost. Someone types something in caps in guildchat and you instinctively read it? You just lost. Dog barks? You just lost. Look for that glass of Dr. Pepper beside you? You just lost. Throw the ball for your dog? You just lost. Forget having a movie on. Forget watching some Game of Thrones. Forget reading a book or talking on the phone or even trolling RnF, because the second you do, maybe the second you lose focus just thinking about doing it, you just lost.

This. Is. Insane.

No one can do this. Not even A/A, really. But what they can do is throw a dozen people or more each at the race so that even if three or four of them happen to glance down at the chat window for a second (all it takes to lose the race), several of the others were hovering over that run key ready to go.

None of the casual guilds have that many people willing to go to such stupid lengths over pixels. The few people willing to race in each guild, they can try, and maybe they'll be lucky enough to be on that hair trigger to get into the race the millisecond the mob spawns, and actually be the one who gets the aggro first out of the dozens racing. Maybe. Probably not, though, and as the losses mount the fewer who will bother to try.

And so you get people like Arum who think this is "putting more effort into it". It's not putting more effort, it's escalating it far past the point of sanity. You have successfully turned the "competition" into something ludicrously embarrassing, something that would, and is, looked at by people outside the server as probably the most pathetic thing ever conceived of in all of computer gaming history.

And it SHOCKS you that other people want to bring it back to something resembling non idiotic? You actually look DOWN on others for not wanting to DO this? Take a look at your life, buddy. Or at the lives of the people you are making do this, if you aren't, in your lust to get pixels over other people. This is not normal behavior.

And if these people are so fucking deranged that this is considered healthy competition for mobs, then GMs need to step in and actually bring some sort of intelligence and maturity to this, and shut this kind of thing down. Unfortunately, instead we have Sirken. Braknar thinks that begging A/A to give up mobs they never had any interest in in the first place is some kind of accomplishment to be applauded, obviously nothing useful is going to come from him. It has to be Sirken. And that is a problem.

[Turp]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah this is exactly the kind of shitty attitude I was referring to, the kind that makes pretty much everyone from outside this server look at people like you with the biggest "wtf?" expressions on their faces.

Listen. No one is afraid of "competing" against you. What people have a problem with is the absolute ridiculous lengths this "competition" has gone to. It's not just having to track for a mob for up to sixteen hours, that's plenty bad enough and variance is fucking cancer. No. It's the fucking level of dedication you need to put into how it is tracking now to win anything.

Maybe people disassociated with current raiding don't know what I am talking about, what Arum is desperately trying to downplay. You don't just track a mob and then race to it nowadays. People are literally setting up a skype live stream for everyone in their guild to watch. You stare at this stream. You can't look away for a second, because that's all it takes. The race will be won by the person who was literally staring at the screen eyes locked forward at the time the mob spawned, for HOURS. Look away for a second? You just lost. Someone types something in caps in guildchat and you instinctively read it? You just lost. Dog barks? You just lost. Look for that glass of Dr. Pepper beside you? You just lost. Throw the ball for your dog? You just lost. Forget having a movie on. Forget watching some Game of Thrones. Forget reading a book or talking on the phone or even trolling RnF, because the second you do, maybe the second you lose focus just thinking about doing it, you just lost.

This. Is. Insane.

No one can do this. Not even A/A, really. But what they can do is throw a dozen people or more each at the race so that even if three or four of them happen to glance down at the chat window for a second (all it takes to lose the race), several of the others were hovering over that run key ready to go.

None of the casual guilds have that many people willing to go to such stupid lengths over pixels. The few people willing to race in each guild, they can try, and maybe they'll be lucky enough to be on that hair trigger to get into the race the millisecond the mob spawns, and actually be the one who gets the aggro first out of the dozens racing. Maybe. Probably not, though, and as the losses mount the fewer who will bother to try.

And so you get people like Arum who think this is "putting more effort into it". It's not putting more effort, it's escalating it far past the point of sanity. You have successfully turned the "competition" into something ludicrously embarrassing, something that would, and is, looked at by people outside the server as probably the most pathetic thing ever conceived of in all of computer gaming history.

And it SHOCKS you that other people want to bring it back to something resembling non idiotic? You actually look DOWN on others for not wanting to DO this? Take a look at your life, buddy. Or at the lives of the people you are making do this, if you aren't, in your lust to get pixels over other people. This is not normal behavior.

And if these people are so fucking deranged that this is considered healthy competition for mobs, then GMs need to step in and actually bring some sort of intelligence and maturity to this, and shut this kind of thing down. Unfortunately, instead we have Sirken. Braknar thinks that begging A/A to give up mobs they never had any interest in in the first place is some kind of accomplishment to be applauded, obviously nothing useful is going to come from him. It has to be Sirken. And that is a problem.

Guess you did not read what I posted?
Because the top guilds did not ask for races. Your casual side did. The top guilds tried to lower variance, casuals blocked it.
Take it up with your leaders. in public. if they deny it ill slam their ass

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Phantasm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think Swish has a crush on me

Really though, automate two repops a month with the off weeks having normal, non classic variance to allow guulds to pick which mobs they want to put effort into.

During repops people enjoy this game. During the other 50 spawn cycles people bitch about it. The answer seems pretty evident to me

How about no respawn on raid mobs at all. ONLY earthquakes. Randomize the times. Do it enough to give a reasonably accurate amount of loot coming into the server. Maybe have a "fast spawn raid mob" mini earthquake that spawns Trak, VS, and any others who come faster than 7 days. One earthquake (at least) a week, at a completely random time so the Euros and the few east asians that play don't get boned.

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Turp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess you did not read what I posted?
Because the top guilds did not ask for races. Your casual side did. The top guilds tried to lower variance, casuals blocked it.
Take it up with your leaders. in public. if they deny it ill slam their ass

Did they also argue for no limits on the number of racers at the same time?

You willing to go to one racer each?

[Turp]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about no respawn on raid mobs at all. ONLY earthquakes. Randomize the times. Do it enough to give a reasonably accurate amount of loot coming into the server. Maybe have a "fast spawn raid mob" mini earthquake that spawns Trak, VS, and any others who come faster than 7 days. One earthquake (at least) a week, at a completely random time so the Euros and the few east asians that play don't get boned.

Ah i see that got you on that dumb repop idea.
Not gonna happen due to the leader of the server , nothing to do with the players choice on repops. It could quickly kill the server. Not a player choice is a maker choice. Deal with it.

Now lowering variance the makers are open to , especially if we banded together. (well not the casual leaders they fought against lower variance and fought FOR races last meeting.) Lower variance would have near the same effect you are seeking for your casual guilds WHILE also not ruining the server. but keep on fighting it.
your leaders lead you into submission.

[Turp]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did they also argue for no limits on the number of racers at the same time?

You willing to go to one racer each?

Leader of Aftermath Detoxx I am damn near positive would love 1 racer. I think he fought for 2. Now Awaken may have been against the low number but the casuals in that meeting have 0 room for defense when THEY FOUGHT FOR RACES AND FOUGHT AGAINST LOWER VARIANCE.
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[khysanth]

Originally Posted by Turp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guess you did not read what I posted?
Because the top guilds did not ask for races. Your casual side did. The top guilds tried to lower variance, casuals blocked it.
Take it up with your leaders. in public. if they deny it ill slam their ass

Super lol at blaming the embarrassing raid scene on casual guilds

[Phantasm]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Automated repops so everyone can plan for them? Sounds great. See you at the popular camp spots with 300 others.

Or perhaps we could start a thread in raid discussion and pre-plan what each guild is going to take? Shit, maybe even rotate stuff based on knowing there'll be another one soon.

In truth, scheduled repops sounds horrible, not classic, lends weight to NA time zone players over any Euros/Aussies/Asians/etc... and you're a dum dum who doesn't think these things out.

I think the nerds of Norrath could work with the idea though. Earthquakes with +/-72 hour variance starting Wednesdays. Camp out for targets of you want, the people that give a shot already do.

If these nerds could rotate without going flaccid they would have already.

And I don't see how monthly earthquakes(>1) hurt Euro or otherwise.

but, lol.

See you at the next thread bitching about this shitty games shittiness

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Turp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Leader of Aftermath Detoxx I am damn near positive would love 1 racer. I think he fought for 2. Now Awaken may have been against the low number but the casuals in that meeting have 0 room for defense when THEY FOUGHT FOR RACES AND FOUGHT AGAINST LOWER VARIANCE.

I guarantee you, whatever delusional belief you may have, the casual leaders did not fight for *this*, and the fact none of them support this now is really all that matters.