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[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because doing illegal shit was supposed to have a punishment so severe, it would serve as an effective deterrent against intentional training which -- with a rational/reasonable playerbase -- would drastically reduce the amount of instances of this happening that a GM would have to get involved with.

Under which scenario is an individual least likely to train another raid intentionally?

a) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, I may or may not get punished, and if I do, it's just me. I eat a week suspension. Maybe kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

b) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, my ENTIRE GUILD gets raid suspended for at least a week. They will all fucking hate me, and I will get kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

If we're conveniently no longer calling armor clears in Fear or Hate a "raid" for the purposes of rules-lawyers trying to mitigate what happened here, then are armor clears in Fear or Hate prohibited as part of being "suspended from raiding" or are they still fair game for a raid-suspended guild?

I'm sincerely asking for clarification... the punishment/rules seemingly change so much around here depending on which guild gets caught doing something illegal, I honestly don't recall.

So if it's B, I can join up into a guild I actually don't like, leech some perks for a whole and then when I get sick of it I can 'do something stupid' and get the whole guild kicked from the raid pool for a while?

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[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because doing illegal shit was supposed to have a punishment so severe, it would serve as an effective deterrent against intentional training which -- with a rational/reasonable playerbase -- would drastically reduce the amount of instances of this happening that a GM would have to get involved with.

Under which scenario is an individual least likely to train another raid intentionally?

a) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, I may or may not get punished, and if I do, it's just me. I eat a week suspension. Maybe kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

b) Well, if I get caught in Fraps, my ENTIRE GUILD gets raid suspended for at least a week. They will all fucking hate me, and I will get kicked out of my guild. Is it worth it?

If we're conveniently no longer calling armor clears in Fear or Hate a "raid" for the purposes of rules-lawyers trying to mitigate what happened here, then are armor clears in Fear or Hate prohibited as part of being "suspended from raiding" or are they still fair game for a raid-suspended guild?

I'm sincerely asking for clarification... the punishment/rules seemingly change so much around here depending on which guild gets caught doing something illegal, I honestly don't recall.

The guild didn't do it, though, the player did. You're right about severe punishments, though. I'd say 6 month vacation with perma ban on 2nd offense of intentional training.

[Man0warr]

4? Lazie said you guys had up to 9 TMO at one point.

[quido]

I love TMO

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love TMO

Love you too, also I can't believe the anger over this. Wish they'd just let us go back to the way it used to be. Then BDA would really have something to cry about. Shesh, from what I've gathered someone *cough* needs to learn to let go of grudges and just be happy.

[Fael]

Why would 11 people enter fear just to farm monk armor ?
Classic chewbaca defense scenario: if it doesn't make sense so you must acquit.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4? Lazie said you guys had up to 9 TMO at one point.

I said one group. I thinks logs show that as well. It Fluctuated between 4 and 6 people.

[doyoueventrainbro]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said one group. I thinks logs show that as well. It Fluctuated between 4 and 6 people.

So where is the line? It's ok to train people if you have 4-6 guild members in a zone?

Is it ok to KS a a draco or something with 3 wizards then and no penalty towards the guild they are aligned in?

Where's the line, bro?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by doyoueventrainbro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So where is the line? It's ok to train people if you have 4-6 guild members in a zone?

Is it ok to KS a a draco or something with 3 wizards then and no penalty towards the guild they are aligned in?

Where's the line, bro?

Um...It's never ok to train a group of players. That is why TMO doesn't condone it or do it in the raiding environment. That is why the offending player was guild removed. Is Caleros still in IB after training Nexona onto TMO pretty blatantly after IB wiped to Nexona ? Did that Caleros train of Nexona get IB fully raid suspended ? I can answer the 2 questions for you... Yes he is still in IB and no his solo actions did not get IB a full raid suspension. Precedent shows that the penalty is usually not at harsh as you guys are making it out to be. The GM came to that decision as well in the Nexona incident.

As for KSing and what makes a guild liable. I think the encounter logs showing your entire guild on the mob supports that more than "3 Wizards" engaged the Draco. I am sure it would have been a different story if your guild leader's alt wasn't the 4th person on the encounter logs with the rest of your guild when a GM checked it.

[Cecily]

Can't imagine the outrage next FFA Inny is gonna cause lol.