Current Sky Schedule

[Karafa]

Originally Posted by Lanuven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are plenty of times available for IB to raid without disrupting any of this rotation. Currently Divinity and Europa are doing sky on the same day and we have only been limited once last week not being able to clear 1-4. If IB didnt have some of the leadership that they currently do, people would be more willing to contact them and work out an agreement to share days. When you come into a thread and DEMAND you be included after training people for such minor targets as Tranix, you will not be taken seriously.

For two times in this server history do we now have a working rotation for something. IB comes in here crying and demanding to be included and when they are ignored, the same way they ignore other people who are on the receiving end of their trains, the guild comes to the forums and calls the rotation "Disney Land."

Get over yourselves, nothing is owed to you. You are the laughing stock of the server and the only thing you are currently competing in on this server is who can be the biggest asshole.

This is a precious retort from a pitiful sociopath. We have a multitude of guilds in this thread that can be quoted bragging about how the majority of their loots rot, yet you're saying we need to get over ourselves and nothing is owed to us. Exactly our point! If the guilds on this rotation that have been farming sky for 6+ months wont share, then we will continue to "it's classic" this shit and go up when we please. I'm so sorry you need your hands held to clear content!

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Karafa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a precious retort from a pitiful sociopath. We have a multitude of guilds in this thread that can be quoted bragging about how the majority of their loots rot, yet you're saying we need to get over ourselves and nothing is owed to us. Exactly our point! If the guilds on this rotation that have been farming sky for 6+ months wont share, then we will continue to "it's classic" this shit and go up when we please. I'm so sorry you need your hands held to clear content!

Most infamous guild on the server, skirts/breaks/lawyers every rule in the book, then calls part of the Divinity leadership a sociopath. Ok.

[cs616]

Reading Chest's posts when FE and now IB have tried to join this rotation has been hilarious. People like him and Lanuven are going to ruin this rotation for everyone with the way they treat new guilds trying to join the rotation. You guys do realize that if you shit all over guilds trying to join the rotation they're just not going to join, right? You don't think FE, IB and TMO would like to raid sky whenever it best suits them? The only reason they aren't is because even the most hard-core among us can recognize something that is good for the server when they see it. However, if you take weeks to bring them into the fold, sling insults their way, and generally shit all over them, don't be surprised when they just say fuck it and do whatever they want.

I feel like you guys are under the impression that this organized rotation gives you some sort of bargaining power in regard to when guilds can raid sky, and really that power only exists so long as the guilds voluntarily apart of this agreement stick to it. This isn't a carrot v. stick scenario, because there is no stick aside from you guys getting mad and calling them names, which isn't a very effective stick. IB went up one day at a time they thought would be the least inconvenient to the other guilds in the rotation and you guys are acting like they're the second coming of Pol Pot. If you want this rotation to succeed you need people to want to abide by it since it is voluntary, and not making time for them and then shitting on them when they raid at a time that no one else uses isn't the best way to make them want to abide by it. As they say, you catch more flies with honey.

I'm not really raiding lately and FE already has our spot, so this only concerns me so far as I think it is cool that the rotation has worked out well for the server so far and I'd like to see it continued. But for real, if this thing is going to survive, throwing insults around and making it stupid difficult to get a spot in the rotation are issues that need to get worked out.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by cs616 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reading Chest's posts when FE and now IB have tried to join this rotation has been hilarious. People like him and Lanuven are going to ruin this rotation for everyone with the way they treat new guilds trying to join the rotation. You guys do realize that if you shit all over guilds trying to join the rotation they're just not going to join, right? You don't think FE, IB and TMO would like to raid sky whenever it best suits them? The only reason they aren't is because even the most hard-core among us can recognize something that is good for the server when they see it. However, if you take weeks to bring them into the fold, sling insults their way, and generally shit all over them, don't be surprised when they just say fuck it and do whatever they want.

I feel like you guys are under the impression that this organized rotation gives you some sort of bargaining power in regard to when guilds can raid sky, and really that power only exists so long as the guilds voluntarily apart of this agreement stick to it. This isn't a carrot v. stick scenario, because there is no stick aside from you guys getting mad and calling them names, which isn't a very effective stick. IB went up one day at a time they thought would be the least inconvenient to the other guilds in the rotation and you guys are acting like they're the second coming of Pol Pot. If you want this rotation to succeed you need people to want to abide by it since it is voluntary, and not making time for them and then shitting on them when they raid at a time that no one else uses isn't the best way to make them want to abide by it. As they say, you catch more flies with honey.

I'm not really raiding lately and FE already has our spot, so this only concerns me so far as I think it is cool that the rotation has worked out well for the server so far and I'd like to see it continued. But for real, if this thing is going to survive, throwing insults around and making it stupid difficult to get a spot in the rotation are issues that need to get worked out.

That's a funny interpretation of the events. FE showed up and demanded a spot of their choosing and said either give it to us or we'll take it. IB just did the same thing which isn't a surprise considering its basically the same folks. They didn't even make an attempt to coordinate anything, they went up because they felt like it and then outright lied to FC. IB is gonna do what they wanna do, they enjoy the infamy and wear that shit like a badge of honor so lets call a spade a spade and stop trying to villify the guilds in the rotation that actually try to make it work. Azure Guard went through the proper channels, so did Europa, but IB is a unique snowflake apparently.

[getsome]

did you outline the proper channels? i must have missed that. if posting on this thread asking for a spot and then waiting more than 10 days for a response is not acceptable before we go up and raid sky during a non rotation time, then please spell out the proper channels.

[spoils]

Didn't I warn u guys that if you don't be decisive in setting up entrance into the rotation, guilds are gonna remind you by making y'all mad? Nowhere in this thread have I seen the "powers to be" outline such guidelines. I don't blame ib one bit.

[mrmop520]

Okay so Gwynevere = Me.

[Tue Jul 16 14:56:45 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'well hope ya guys have a good clear.. if you do end doing bees mind lettin someone in my guild know the time of death?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:57:34 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'sure, thing, i may just stick to lords, if u all were planning bees'
[Tue Jul 16 14:58:38 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'we'd appreciate that feel free to hitme up on my mains (Wispy / Ramblin) if you ever need to coordinate anything etc.'

"I may just stick to lords, if u all were planning bees"

Wow now that sounds like the agreement we reached. However when we ported up to sky we learned that they were on island 6 killing bees. I attempted to communicate in a manner that let them have their early clear and did not screw FC over. However, they clearly did not give a shit and Getsome went against his word, leaving FC to literally wait 2 hours for Spiroc Guardian and Lord to pop. I'm sorry but 2am on a weekday for island 5 is way too late--I was fully trying to cooperate and let them have their clear (without yelling at them--its a game come on) because I was aware of their issues getting onto the rotation.. but they clearly do not give a shit about any one else but themselves.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

mrmop520 your guildmate Vianna accused me of lieing and you stated I made an agreement which I never made. I will post the logs of our chat.

My goal was to schedule a raid that did not interfere with your rotation. Noon EST for a mostly US guild during the week is early, we took what he had online to go to sky and get keyed. Our goal was to be done with 1-4 before 2 pm so your raid would be minimally impacted. Island three boss was killed @ 1:30 pm est.

[Tue Jul 16 13:29:55 2013] Gorgalosk has become ENRAGED.

I was told in your rotation thread, to raid during the week early in the day so I attempted to follow the advice we were given.

Rakpartha has the best idea I have seen. but I understand if your rotation is closed to new guilds. IB is capable of raiding sky on our terms.

Thank you.

Enjoy the wall of text,

[Mon Jul 08 23:11:48 2013] You told Llog, 'you all raiding sky tomore?'
[Mon Jul 08 23:11:58 2013] Llog tells you, 'yeah every tuesday'
[Mon Jul 08 23:12:07 2013] You told Llog, 'do you clear it all?'
[Mon Jul 08 23:12:15 2013] Llog tells you, 'nah barely get to 5 some times'
[Mon Jul 08 23:12:33 2013] You told Llog, 'so keeper kill and quits, or u try for lord?'
[Mon Jul 08 23:14:16 2013] Llog tells you, 'our goal is usually to kill as many lords as possible but we usually struggle to get there'

[Tue Jul 16 14:38:31 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'heyas - just noticed you guys are in sky atm.. able to talk when you have a moment?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:38:38 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'sure'
[Tue Jul 16 14:39:31 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'i'm sure you're aware FC clears tuesday evenings- just wondering what time youall started the clear'
[Tue Jul 16 14:39:55 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'we started @ noon'
[Tue Jul 16 14:40:18 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'Ok, are you guys planning on going past 5?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:40:37 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'yeah'
[Tue Jul 16 14:41:04 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'Ok.. to my understanding bees are 12 hour repop right?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:41:40 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'i will check, not sure'
[Tue Jul 16 14:42:01 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'i believe island 1 is 6hr, rest is 2, and bees / sister are 12hr'
[Tue Jul 16 14:43:40 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'I have no issue with you guys doing an early clear on our sky day--would prefer a little earlier start time we usually aim for 7

not 8... however this week we were hoping to try bees for the first go.. finally got to killing spiroc lord easily etc..'
[Tue Jul 16 14:44:38 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'starting earlier than noon is difficult'
[Tue Jul 16 14:44:39 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'just wondering if youall could farm lords at the end instead of bees this week.. if you wanted we could alternate weeks if you

guys are planning to make it a regular thing'
[Tue Jul 16 14:44:50 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'i know.. if it were weekends i'd be all for starting later'
[Tue Jul 16 14:45:19 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'we just have alot that work and have to log by midnight.. making long raids rough unless we start at 7ish'
[Tue Jul 16 14:45:21 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'its not a regular thing'
[Tue Jul 16 14:45:26 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'i had a day off today to lead a raid'
[Tue Jul 16 14:46:17 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'thats cool--guess im just bummed we finally get to do a full clear (our day was on efreeti day forever and TMO was quite tough

to communicate w/..) and we got the momentum to get at bees'
[Tue Jul 16 14:46:24 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'just i think they would repop too late for us'
[Tue Jul 16 14:47:40 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'i tried to start as early as possible to day, so you all would have your mobs up, last i spoke to llog you guys were doing up to

lord on good days'
[Tue Jul 16 14:47:53 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'did not know bee was in your target window '
[Tue Jul 16 14:48:01 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'right last go we did about 10 lords w/o charmin'
[Tue Jul 16 14:48:11 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'and bee queen just got re-tuned.. we ready for it'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:15 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'what is respawn on lord?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:19 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'instant'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:21 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'just leave guardian up'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:24 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'if you leave guardian'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:32 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'and if not?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:50:36 2013] Gwynevere tells you, '8hr i believe'
[Tue Jul 16 14:56:45 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'well hope ya guys have a good clear.. if you do end doing bees mind lettin someone in my guild know the time of death?'
[Tue Jul 16 14:57:34 2013] You told Gwynevere, 'sure, thing, i may just stick to lords, if u all were planning bees'
[Tue Jul 16 14:58:38 2013] Gwynevere tells you, 'we'd appreciate that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] feel free to hitme up on my mains (Wispy / Ramblin) if you ever need to coordinate anything etc.'
[Tue Jul 16 18:40:14 2013] Braegon tells you, 'can i bend your ear a sec to ask about PoS? if you are busy i understand, but i was wondering when 1-3 were cleared if you happen

to know'
[Tue Jul 16 18:40:53 2013] You told braegon, '12-1:30'
[Tue Jul 16 18:41:05 2013] Braegon tells you, 'est?'
[Tue Jul 16 18:41:12 2013] You told Braegon, 'yes'
[Tue Jul 16 18:41:55 2013] Braegon tells you, 'cool thanks'
[Tue Jul 16 20:04:54 2013] You told braegon, 'are you going to kill the princess soon?'
[Tue Jul 16 20:04:58 2013] Braegon tells you, 'yes'
[Tue Jul 16 20:05:03 2013] You told Braegon, 'how soon, '
[Tue Jul 16 20:05:10 2013] You told Braegon, 'cause u cant have another sirran up'
[Tue Jul 16 20:05:21 2013] Braegon tells you, 'however long it takes us to kill spirits'
[Tue Jul 16 20:05:54 2013] Braegon tells you, 'we will wait till you are done'
[Tue Jul 16 20:16:27 2013] Braegon tells you, 'we are gonna do princess shortly'
[Tue Jul 16 20:16:32 2013] You told Braegon, 'go for it'
[Tue Jul 16 20:16:44 2013] Braegon tells you, 'waiting on one more port up...for some reason ;b'
[Tue Jul 16 20:43:57 2013] You told braegon, 'we got a sirran up'
[Tue Jul 16 20:44:01 2013] Braegon tells you, 'k'
[Tue Jul 16 20:44:22 2013] Braegon tells you, 'tell me when he is down'
[Tue Jul 16 20:44:31 2013] You told Braegon, 'will do'
[Tue Jul 16 20:52:58 2013] Braegon tells you, 'your sirran still up?'

Llog obviously misinformed you on the struggles. But that is ok he hasn't been at sky a lot lately so he didn't know we have been farming lords easy for over a month now. The only thing that ever slowed that down was having the keys for it with the freeti cycle. We were waiting on the patch to do bees so we wouldn't need to whirlwind tank with monks or charm sirran to kill it. Funny thing getsome you say you don't want to disrupt anything yet you wait so late to kill things.. Was your guild struggling in sky >? Why did it take so long for you guys to kill Guardian and lords if you started at 12 ? I mean they didnt respawn till almost 2 AM. That is 9 hours past 5.

[arsenalpow]

The leadership of the sky rotation guilds don't meet to discuss things specifically, this thread is more for organizational purposes. The first post is typically maintained to show the current rotation, and Getsome is probably right that he did in fact post that IB wanted in but nothing happened after that. I believe Europa and AG coordinated with each guild separately to try and come to some equitable terms that would benefit all parties. Maybe Div starts an hour or two later now to get Europa more time to do their thing, but the point is communication needs to happen.

I don't think we'd mind giving up a Friday here or there if it could be communicated properly. I'm very reasonable as long as you don't come demanding things right off the bat which was my major issue with this incident. There's a standing agreement between 9 (?) guilds, lets try to keep that in mind.

The guilds participating in the rotation usually stay out of the FtE raid drama and this our way of gearing up our members while avoiding that shit show. Aside from the ragefire rotation this has been the most stable and largest form of guild cooperation yet on p99. Lets try to keep a good thing going instead of shitting all over it.

[newsmurf]

actually lanuven is a shitbatcrazy overzealous wanker, a lot of people even in Divinity will admit that, so the sociopath thing isnt far off = ).