Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do have to kinda laugh at TMO/IB shutting everyone out of Ragefire for 5 weeks and then suddenly you are raid suspended and it's "oh poor ninik". Where was all this love and compassion a month ago when the thread was originally created? You could have said "we'll do the 5 clerics who spent the most time clicking air in the lair plus Ninik", but you didn't.

Anyway, I think this particular problem will go away pretty fast - my understanding with the new patch is that Ragefire will spawn about twice a week or maybe even more. So we'll get 8-10 more sprinklers this month and I'd be pretty surprised if one of them doesn't have Ninik's name on it.

I don't feel too bad for Taken. Maestro was up at least 10 minutes. So basically they just had 15 people AFK up there, and if this is enough to give you dibs on all raid mobs . . . lord help us. I do feel bad for BDA not getting Draco though. They had a nice head start with more than sufficient numbers. Trakanon we experimented with training the mobs away, failed pretty miserably, ended up fighting him right at the entrance to the lair, training BDA. As we rezzed up, BDA pulled Trak by accident training us. Finally we went in and did it the slow way successfully. I don't think there was any malice there, just some incompetence on both sides. Meanwhile TMO was busy rezzing/buffing/COH'ing BDA as much as possible of course.

Check your facts because you are wrong.

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maestro and Draco. Neither were "against rules", but they weren't playing nicely either. Taken was leap-frogged at Maestro.



BDA did not have a shot at Draco. IB was in the zone "training how to train", when Draco popped on them. IB notifies VD that Draco spawned, then starts camping/gating because of their raid suspension. BDA and Taken were the only guilds tracking in the zone. BDA zones in, only to find IB with their small train (like 6-10 mobs, BDA had cleared the zone earlier) along with Draco right at the fear portal. BDA wiped due to the train, and while IB rezzed us due to their unintentional wipe, VD killed Draco.

I do believe that it was all unintentional, but given the close relationship between IB and VD, you can imagine others don't believe so. It was horrible form regardless.

I actuall feel bad for Taken. They watched Maestro pop, had 15 in zone, and did nothing for 15 minutes. We popped in a tracker saw it up, made the call to go up in case they wiped only to see them sitting AFk out of agro range. BDA also ran up at the same time as VD. VD engaged, end of story.

Draco, I have no idea why IB was kiting around mobs and accidentally got draco near fear portal. "Training excercise" obviously. BDA decided to zone in and fight draco, and kept pouring in. VD waited outside fear, did a normal WW break, and pulled Draco there after.

VD has acted honorably as we always do. We aren't training, being sneaky with FTE tactics, and have given the other guilds sufficient time to engage and wipe on most if not all targets (we deliberately reset our agro on Gore pull to allow BDA a chance to pull when it looked like there might be a FTE disagreement; Talendor was left up 1 and half hours before we engaged after Div/taken wipe; Naggy was up 45 min before we engaged after another Div/Taken wipe; ect).

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ doesn't have a magical bubble that prevents other people from contesting stuff. I'm honestly surprised no one outside of IB/TMO came in to contest it.


Also it wasn't a TMO - IB guild based rotation, it was an agreement amongst the clerics with the most time at the camp, just so happens they were from IB/TMO. We randomed for the slots, which people now call a "rotation".

The OP was an attempt to demonstrate that it could be handled peacefully and to seek additional input from the rest of the community regarding how to go forward from here on out. The patch, thankfully, has been implemented so we should be seeing 2-6 ragefires per week instead of the previous 1 per 9 days. I would still like to see something worked out to prevent another FFA click fest.

Look I don't have a problem with how things turned out and I don't see how you got that from my post. As far as I'm concerned, if you put the time in you get the gear. If the whole server had gotten together and made sure Ninik got the first one, I think that would have been pretty awesome . . but we didn't, and that's OK too. I'm purely pointing out the hypocrisy of anyone in IB/TMO bitching about VD taking a Ragefire or two and not giving a spot to Ninik when they did the exact same thing for two months.

Anyway with 3 ragefires per week this problem will disappear fast. In a few months tops every cleric will have one.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maestro and Draco. Neither were "against rules", but they weren't playing nicely either. Taken was leap-frogged at Maestro.



BDA did not have a shot at Draco. IB was in the zone "training how to train", when Draco popped on them. IB notifies VD that Draco spawned, then starts camping/gating because of their raid suspension. BDA and Taken were the only guilds tracking in the zone. BDA zones in, only to find IB with their small train (like 6-10 mobs, BDA had cleared the zone earlier) along with Draco right at the fear portal. BDA wiped due to the train, and while IB rezzed us due to their unintentional wipe, VD killed Draco.

I do believe that it was all unintentional, but given the close relationship between IB and VD, you can imagine others don't believe so. It was horrible form regardless.

We cleared fear aside from 4 glare lords, and maybe a fetid or Samhain near boogey house.

We had 35+ ready for Draco within 3 minutes of him popping and our raid force zoned into IB training Draco to the fear portal. Intentional or unintentional, the GMs can sort that out. The fact remains that VD benefitted from IB's Draco train and we couldn't get an attempt in. It's frustrating to say the least.

[Metallikus]

The hilarious fact is that before IB/TMO was suspended, leadership was approached about the cleric rotation and the information gathered was that Zeelot was not willing to accept a rotation and we were all going to be in for a gigantic clusterfk clickfest. Then boom the hammer is brought down, they get suspensions and can't click for a week...now they want to insert Ninik during the time they cannot be douches about it.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The hilarious fact is that before IB/TMO was suspended, leadership was approached about the cleric rotation and the information gathered was that Zeelot was not willing to accept a rotation and we were all going to be in for a gigantic clusterfk clickfest. Then boom the hammer is brought down, they get suspensions and can't click for a week...now they want to insert Ninik during the time they cannot be douches about it.

i don't care what you've heard or think.

There needs to be a rotation set up immediately or you risk me killing this vendor trigger when he spawns after each naggy. Killing the vendor version of Zordak (afaik) doesn't reset the zordak timer (aka 1 shot at cleric epic per naggy).

Either set up a rotation with Ninik at the beginning or kiss ur cleric epics all goodbye.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Draco, I have no idea why IB was kiting around mobs and accidentally got draco near fear portal. "Training excercise" obviously. BDA decided to zone in and fight draco, and kept pouring in. VD waited outside fear, did a normal WW break, and pulled Draco there after.

VD has acted honorably as we always do. We aren't training, being sneaky with FTE tactics, and have given the other guilds sufficient time to engage and wipe on most if not all targets (we deliberately reset our agro on Gore pull to allow BDA a chance to pull when it looked like there might be a FTE disagreement; Talendor was left up 1 and half hours before we engaged after Div/taken wipe; Naggy was up 45 min before we engaged after another Div/Taken wipe; ect).

There was only 4 mobs up, IB claiming some sort of kite training is laughable at best and a violation of their raid ban at worst. A "WW break" is also kind of ridiculous since the zone was cleared.

I'm not insinuating that BDA had a right to Draco, it's a race, but to have VD benefit from an IB train is frustrating beyond words when we were first on the scene.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The hilarious fact is that before IB/TMO was suspended, leadership was approached about the cleric rotation and the information gathered was that Zeelot was not willing to accept a rotation and we were all going to be in for a gigantic clusterfk clickfest. Then boom the hammer is brought down, they get suspensions and can't click for a week...now they want to insert Ninik during the time they cannot be douches about it.

Who is they? It seems like a lot of people in this thread keep committing a fallacy of assigning individual's positions to entire guilds as the official guild positions.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We cleared fear aside from 4 glare lords, and maybe a fetid or Samhain near boogey house.

We had 35+ ready for Draco within 3 minutes of him popping and our raid force zoned into IB training Draco to the fear portal.

Who was the FD spotter in Fear for your guild who called for your raid force to zone into a train? Blame THAT guy, IMO.

[messiah_b]

Despawn all raid targets for 2 months.