My Theory About Why Feminism is Currently Irrelevent to Millenials

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My argument is that Republicans and Democrats in the establishment are bought out by lobbyists -- like Ryan. So Ryan ia paying them back and pretending to be stupid enough to think this will help everyone. Meanwhile, the Democrats have to look like their fighting for someone. The only problem is the lobbyists have paid them off to not fuck with the economy -- shoot -- I guess we'll have to talk about Sexual Harassment in Hollywood that took place 25 years ago now.

The one article on the level is:

Wavering Senators Buy Trump’s Assurances on Taxes. Really.



We need to stop force feeding people this habit of gullibility. "Ryan is paying back soso lobbyist" (we should know them by name) -- that's the story we want to read.

deficit hawk rhetoric will be back in style AFTER the tax plan passes. gee whiz guys we don't have the revenue to afford anything, blame the black feller.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Feminism has not been hijacked by extremists. Feminism has been hijacked by preppy girls that want to tell their life story in a magazine and get a round applause for it.

Extreme feminists barely exist -- but are referenced by real feminist so they can talk about how not-extreme they are. It's all just self-indulgent nonsense.

Feminism is a sorority system where the rich girls get the nicer houses.

i don't think feminism has been hijacked by anyone. it's "progressed." that's what socially progressive movements do. once we have bridged the chasm of inequality, we must imagine new obstacles to battle anew because there is no destination, only progress. there must always be more progress.

[maskedmelon]

also, it seems to me that the tax plan benefits the poor and rich at the expense of the middle class. eliminating the home mortgage deduction eliminates one of the most effective means of building wealth. but hey, people only gotta pay 12%
on income up to 78k, so they can spend more at wal*mart.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also, it seems to me that the tax plan benefits the poor and rich at the expense of the middle class. eliminating the home mortgage deduction eliminates one of the most effective means of building wealth. but hey, people only gotta pay 12%
on income up to 78k, so they can spend more at wal*mart.

That's true. I guess My line between poor and middle class tends to be more poor/middle and upper middle class in my head these days. How are you Republican types OK with that BTW? It's a big deal for anyone that ever can slowly pay off a house.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's true. I guess My line between poor and middle class tends to be more poor/middle and upper middle class in my head these days. How are you Republican types OK with that BTW? It's a big deal for anyone that ever can slowly pay off a house.

im not a republican and it does not please me. we don't need subsidies for the poor anymore than we need for the wealthy. im not concerned with my ability to
compete, but the long term implications of wealth balloons at the top are troubling. most people can't compete and while i do not believe anyone is entitled to anything, it is bad policy for a society with any sort of long term aspirations to promote poverty either by making staying in it more easily managed or by pushing people down into it.

highly competent individuals will always outperform less competent ones and an unrestricted environment the most competent individuals (those operating at 2 or more standard deviations above the mean) will win all available resources. That is a problem.

On top of it, while their children will have more resources contributing to their chance at success, there is no guarantee that they will be as competent/productive as their parents and they will almost certainly be less ambitious, which is why the estate tax is vitally important and republican talk of "eliminating the death tax," is idiocy. Yeah,
Some farmers may have to downsize when passing to the next generation, but maybe then we'd spend less laying them to destroy crops. The lifetime exemption covers ordinary people. The tax itself needs to be much higher though.

[Rader]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's true. I guess My line between poor and middle class tends to be more poor/middle and upper middle class in my head these days. How are you Republican types OK with that BTW? It's a big deal for anyone that ever can slowly pay off a house.

Personally I own my house and have benefited from the mortgage interest deduction. But I would rather have a simpler tax code with lower rates overall. And why are the bleeding hearts not complaining about how regressive the mortgage interest deduction is? Renters have to suck up and pay rent with no tax benefits, but own your home and get a big tax benefit? Oh yeah, that might lose your side votes, can't have that.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Rader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personally I own my house and have benefited from the mortgage interest deduction. But I would rather have a simpler tax code with lower rates overall. And why are the bleeding hearts not complaining about how regressive the mortgage interest deduction is? Renters have to suck up and pay rent with no tax benefits, but own your home and get a big tax benefit? Oh yeah, that might lose your side votes, can't have that.

Your going to love this: there is a popular academic opinion that it is racist because whites are way more likely to get a mortgage and pay it off. Technically -- some of that tax money is money from people that can't afford a house going to people that can (but a lot of these people get more back from the government than they pay in). But you can argue its regressive to poor. Or that it is racist because poor blacks are paying taxes and can't afford houses while this helps white people that can afford houses.

Edit: Just to give this argument its best front, it's worth pointing out blacks live in cities often. It's fucking unaffordable to buy houses in a lot of these areas. They don't live in the suburbs because they are less comfortable with the culture there and have less connections etc. So even if you make OK money -- no way you gonna get a house bro. You got to the man these days to buy a house in a big city.

Meanwhile Whitey McRichardson and his white-acting wife buying a $2,000,000 Condo get the deduction because its their first home / primary residence.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Rader [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personally I own my house and have benefited from the mortgage interest deduction. But I would rather have a simpler tax code with lower rates overall. And why are the bleeding hearts not complaining about how regressive the mortgage interest deduction is? Renters have to suck up and pay rent with no tax benefits, but own your home and get a big tax benefit? Oh yeah, that might lose your side votes, can't have that.

kinda silly to talk about sides given the republicans can pass it without any democrat help.

remember this in april.

[JurisDictum]

I just want to add -- this is the problem with Race getting in the way of conversations about class. Why don't we just talk about how to help all people get their first house in a way that is fair to everyone? Instead -- got to talk about whites getting the edge on tax cuts. They are always going to get the edge on tax cuts -- "whites" (which I claim is getting to be more cultural than ethnic with my generation) will almost certainly always have more money because they started with more. Therefore, they get disproportionate benefit with any kind of tax break.

We can't let stupid talking point factoids get in the way of pushing for the one issue we ALL care about: Economic Inequality.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I grew up in the Heights before it got gentrified dawg

*locks and loads the remington as gangs blast by*

Haha

Honestly I prefer that part to the hipsters who've moved in. You ever go to Lee's Chicken and Donuts? I get the 4 piece sometimes on cheat days