Variance

[Nirgon]

15v50 against people with full buffs when we had zero buffs, were just loading in, enemy rogue poisons ready to go and almost every enemy is skeleton form. Ends up being touted as some kind of old fashioned war where both sides line up and agree first to engage.

Many jump to avoid YT rather than spending more time juking around to buy their pals time to do work.

Somewhere I believe BK said something about people being YT averse and a coward today... yet we ported up knowing full well the first person to load would get instagibbed and more would die... heh..

If you're willing to count things like this as winning the server, act more like it? Just enjoy it and be happy? You seem collectively angry and seeking sweeping changes, seriously contradicting your notion of being a top guild that is very happy with how things are going for them.

Also, might I suggest changing your definition of victory and recruitment "standards" before gear starts dropping that greatly changes the playing field? Like.. for example we think Novus is hard to kill now but imagine just trying to break down people in BIS gear... 1 monk is going to be like killing 3 Novuses :P

[Pikrib]

Hrm, did you kill Hoskar 10-15 times on blue then?

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not sure if trolling or legit retard.

This thread is about controlling zones and killing raid mobs. What hard understand?

[MavstabYoudead]

point is you wouldn't have ported up with similar #s or not knowing what we had up there if you didn't know your overwhelming #s would win the battle, would you?

we zoned similar #s into PoF to pvp you guys yesterday and you call camped/gated.

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hrm, did you kill Hoskar 10-15 times on blue then?

probably and a few times back on live, but vp wasn't a big deal back then as we were doing it right as velious came out. would I like to kill hoshkar on red? sure, but it's not some crowning achievement lol.

[Colgate]

real shame that azrael can't kill hoshkar nor have they ever

[MavstabYoudead]

we could kill hoshkar but would take time we don't have with our roster to get prepared. we don't have/want 300 members to be able to call 60 people online at any moment.

[Swyft]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK

Don't know what's gotten into me lately

I think maybe its that I've turned a corner taking in some of these ex-Azrael and actually feel bad cuz I'm a bleeding heart sucker

Like to be honest, I don't think I can truly hate anyone here because we all like EQ

I just wish the opposition wasn't this angry little crew that thought they were better than everyone else and bleeding members constantly while destroying any chance of a real opposition with a recruit and help first mentality

It just sucks to think some people are stuck in that routine and trying to play it off like they are so happy with how things are going for them right now to keep up appearances

The input Azrael is getting about their guild is exactly why people are leaving

Anything I say to encourage people to see Azrael in a more positive light or try to encourage changes for them to become better is met with blind "non factor" insults and general rage

So I guess what do we do from here? Close relations entirely? Act like tactless internet savages and continue this shadow war of spies, stealing members who then submit proof of people boxing/RMTING and submitting selective fraps and trying to make the pvp scene as hostile as disgusting as possible?

I mean if that's what you want, you're running out of gas in a big way and if that's the kind of guild who is constantly absorbing and controlling any chance of a resistance.. maybe it IS better that you are all just run off

People are sick of it, even if your own guild, its time for a change... or keep it up and at least I won't feel bad about seeing the last 10 of you getting primal 2handers shoved up their boxed characters asses before formally quitting

Before you go into another self righteous long winded diatribe in feigned display of championing the boxs prosperity, lets just cut through the bullshit shall we?

Your guild is made of the same individuals that raided pixels for three years sending the servers population into a spiral of decadence. All of your arguments currently given are in direct opposition to your previous stance when the pixels weren't flowing in your direction.

You claim to want an amicable solution but meanwhile, you've called LNS from pve deaths, in an attempt to lawyerquest the GM's. Held a Gm pvp event where you used ambiguously worded rules to use a complete heal item to victory. Doctered chat logs int an effort to defame me. And even went so far as to create a toon named Burgerking after my name was changed to have mock duels with for bragging rights.

At every turn you shown yourself to be devoid of integrity , sportsmanship and fair play. And although your words may be eloquent, they are nothing but a hollow ruse that beguile all of your actions.

Your idea of a server with fair play, is a blue server with one guild that acquires all pixels through numbers alone. The very same thing you argued against for three years when you weren't Nihilum.

And when you get Primal weapons i will be right next to you thanking you for them moments before I disband guild and kill you with them!

[Colgate]

azrael couldn't kill hoshkar when we had 35 people in there using the shaman slow exploit

also i thought azrael could kill everything with 20 people???

[MavstabYoudead]

don't kid yourself, you don't do much thinking....