Catherins attempt at lawyering

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why does derubael think class R and class C guilds should be punished differently?

I think his point is that an R guild being suspended for an FFA spawn isn't a real punishment because it is unlikely that the R guild will be successful in getting an FFA mob, whereas a C guild being suspended from an FFA spawn is an actual punishment because they are likely to get that FFA mob as FFA mobs are de facto C mobs at this point.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the fact is that Sirken and Derubael cant be unbiased when dealing with class R and class C disputes.

To start with, when the whole class system was created, Sirken and Derubael tried to put some other system in place, without consulting any guilds other than IB, FE, TMO. R

Rogaen slapped their wrists and made them take it back to the table and to include the rest of the server's guilds in the decision making.

Sirken and Derubael both have ties to the class C guilds personally, wether it be having been in the guild before, currently or formerly having TMO tagged characters, or often chit chatting on the phone or meeting up for drinks with TMO members.

No surprises when things cannot be ruled fairly or equally when TMO is involved.

Speaking of bias, yeesh!

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're fucking delusional.

Quoted for irony.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Juevento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or tracking from the zone in as we usually do for naggy. Taken for sure had 2 trackers at that engage since they BP healed a warrior for fte until the troops show up.

But none of that is important. Chest what you need to realize is that Sirken and Deru are the problem here. They enable TMO to be TMO. If we had decent GMs around, those sociopaths would have been sent to the red gulag with the other scum to compete their hearts out.

This place is fucked. Come jack some peoples hard earned trade packs in Archeage.

Actually TMO isn't enabled to be TMO currently. Not for a long while now. Notice the current raid rules.

[Troubled]

Other than the fact that the only evidence they went on was word of mouf rather than the fraps, screenshots, logs, and screenshots of logs that are normally required, and that the punishment didn't fit the crime(ffa dispute causing a mob suspension in R,) I think the ruling was fair.

However, all said and done, I was there and didn't personally think we should have engaged at any % while under another guild's fte.

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually TMO isn't enabled to be TMO currently. Not for a long while now. Notice the current raid rules.

Well if I were gm and had some dense as fuck classic autism case like Unbrella send in a petition week after week cause he gives a shit about fucking Nagafen, I'd tell him to fucking stop being a little bitch and sack up and deal with it.

But no, what we have are two GMs who coddle the fuck out of TMO thus enabling them to be thin skinned petty bitches who run off to tell mom and dad over any perceived slight. And somehow they don't even have the balls to tell these ingrates no.

[kotton05]

It'll
Never
Be
C/r
Maybe
C/c/r


Also the divinity poster in raid discussion blows my mind and is very out of touch with what happened, thank you Catherine for that.

[Rais]

Unfortunately Anthrax is right about Sirken and Derubael about dealing with class R and class C raiding guilds. This was crystal clear when they decided to make new raid rules with Unbrella and told everyone else too bad since they demanded too much. Only when it was pointed out to Rogean did that get struck down and rehashed so most of everyone was happy, not just one major guild. Rogean had a vision for the server, and wanted it be better for the majority of guilds. You can even see him state this in his posts.

People are second guessing raid rules and disputes for the since the start of the server. When raid petitions get ignored/dismissed for weeks/months on end ( be it tired of dealing with shit, too busy to watch fraps, read logs and 10k word essay petitions), and people wonder what the hell is going on, people tend to think it's favoritism. Most of those petitions had been against TMO with a close running of FE before the merger. So of course people are going to claim favoritism.

It's the consistency that is the biggest issue. Take this as example

Sirken:

That being said, it is absolutely not ok for trackers to be parked on raid spawn locations.

Doing this, figuratively takes a big old dump on the entire purpose for the Staff telling the players we don’t want them poopsocking the raid spawn locations. We also do not want KoS trackers to be able to get afk FTE’s, as we feel this is more in line with using autofire, than it is in the spirit of the rules set forth, rules that, I will remind you, were all agreed on by the players.

Now it has changed to

Sirken:

listen, essentially we (staff) are saying the same thing. if nothing pops i obviously dont care where people are, because no harm no foul. but if the mob pops and you have trackernerds on the spawn spot, their trackernerd will/should get aggro, and as such they would be breaking the "trackers can't FTE" rule.

I am not agreeing with Taken's guild leader at all. Yet I can understand their view point. One hand Sirken states NO trackers at all on raid spawns(agro range). Now it's it's ok they can be there if nothing is up. Why else would they be there for hours at a time? It isn't to hang out, it's to get FTE with the person they CoH. So no, it isn't no harm no foul, he stated

Doing this, figuratively takes a big old dump on the entire purpose for the Staff telling the players we don’t want them poopsocking the raid spawn locations.

. The message is mixed and isn't consistent with the posts.

There have been a ton of other raid disputes that have been handled differently and that created animosity. Petitions being ignored for whatever reason is disrespect to the players who are coming to those who are enforcing the rules. Be it being burnt out tired of the same ol, or don't have time to deal with it. At least do a simple response. I know all guilds have had petitions go unanswered at all for months and when I was asked about it, I told those people I had as much information as they did.

This will help communication between players and the staff so when a petition pops up months later it isn't a surprise with no information about it. Also it helps when the main two GMs are on the same page. It is apparent that at times they aren't. Most likely RL has bogged everything down and someone is making a decision to at least respond. The only problem then is, things change when the other person comes back or makes a response.


Respect is a two way street between the players and staff. When people feel they have been jerked around for literally years on the server, they lose respect. I don't blame them being from TMO, IB, BDA, whoever else. Of course there are flat out shitbags in each guild that staff members don't want to deal with for good reasons, I give them a pass on that.

I know Deru and still talk to him. I do think he has the health of the server on his mind and tries his hardest to do so. Just because someone tries, doesn't always make it right. I've fucked up, he's fucked up, Sirken has and even Rogean. The staff are humans, but also need to understand that players come to the server because they make it a hobby and love the server. So they will be as passionate as the staff, as the staff is at defending it and keeping it alive and healthy.

40,000 word rule books, server rules, go to my podcast to find out the answer, and such is just a headache for everyone involved just to understand fully of whats going on. Streamline the process, make shit so simple people can't talk around it and look for ways to twist it to their reasons.
As example: 1 tracker not in agro range at all, can't get FTE.


There are many others that can be changed for the better. Both sides need to have clean slate and put friendships aside work everything out. Then respect can be re-earned from all sides, and maybe every guild won't try and murder each other irl if they ever meet.


tl/dr I had too much coffee for midterms and said respect works both ways.

[Raev]

I don't think anyone is asking for C/R, but C/R with FFA repops. That's totally different.

Speaking entirely for myself, I'd be willing to just do 7 repops a month and fuck all this class shit.

[Man0warr]

Is it not troubling to anyone else that Unbrella has cell phone access to the Lead GM on this server?