Class "R" rotation and Sky about to fall apart - Page 30

radditsu · #**291** 06-29-2014, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The vast majority of BDA are casual - the small amount of "hardcore" people in BDA aren't going to force raiding/batphoning/tracking/etc on our guild. We don't recruit those kind of people nor encourage it.

Being in Class C has nothing to do with how capable your force is or how good your gear is. It's about playstyle - that's the reason it's segregated.

At some point in time chest wanted us to poopsock and scrap and fight. But he looked in the mirror and saw the face of a neckbeard develop. So then he played with his corgis and all was well.

HeallunRumblebelly · #**292** 06-29-2014, 11:10 AM

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The vast majority of BDA are casual - the small amount of "hardcore" people in BDA aren't going to force raiding/batphoning/tracking/etc on our guild. We don't recruit those kind of people nor encourage it.

Being in Class C has nothing to do with how capable your force is or how good your gear is. It's about playstyle - that's the reason it's segregated.

I was under the impression this is why FE (and the VD split) happened in the first place. Those who wanted to raid, went and did.

Man0warr · #**293** 06-29-2014, 11:27 AM

Everyone in BDA wants to raid. Most don't want to be awoken by batphones (at all hours) or be forced to track - there's some of us who do both but not enough to compete with TMO.

It is what it is, not sure why TMO is trying to force BDA, Taken, etc into Class C outside of wanting someone else to boast to in RnF when they win a race since IB seems to be on the decline.

khanable · #**294** 06-29-2014, 11:31 AM

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I was under the impression this is why FE (and the VD split) happened in the first place. Those who wanted to raid, went and did.

I wasn't around during this time period, so I'm sure there might be more reasons, but the #1 reason appears to be exactly what you stated. Those who wanted to play the hardcore raid scene went off and did.

I feel like this argument has been beaten to death thirty times over. BDA members just don't want to compete for mobs on the level that is required in class C. I believe Lazie stated things are different now, I don't know what is different but I'd be interested to hear what has changed over the months. Either way, it's been like pulling teeth to get folks even remotely interested in doing FFA stuff. Call it apathy, call it lazy, call it abusing the loot vending machine - whatever. The simple fact of the matter is our member base doesn't want to play the game that way.

As much as I would like to see a serious step up on our part, it just isn't really going to happen unless server staff forces it. If that day comes, it'll be the end of BDA.

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toosweet · #**295** 06-29-2014, 11:33 AM

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I wasn't around during this time period, so I'm sure there might be more reasons, but the #1 reason appears to be exactly what you stated. Those who wanted to play the hardcore raid scene went off and did.

I feel like this argument has been beaten to death thirty times over. BDA members just don't want to compete for mobs on the level that is required in class C. I believe Lazie stated things are different now, I don't know what is different but I'd be interested to hear what has changed over the months. Either way, it's been like pulling teeth to get folks even remotely interested in doing FFA stuff. Call it apathy, call it lazy, call it abusing the loot vending machine - whatever. The simple fact of the matter is our member base doesn't want to play the game that way.

As much as I would like to see a serious step up on our part, it just isn't really going to happen unless server staff forces it. If that day comes, it'll be the end of BDA.

I know that would bring great joy to many of you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cucumber the wise

khanable · #**296** 06-29-2014, 11:38 AM

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Cucumber the wise

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it jerk off

or something

Dragonsblood1987 · #**297** 06-29-2014, 11:39 AM

I think the only way to fix the raid scene clusterfuck that TMO has caused is to do a server wipe and remove all raid restrictions (aside from being training faggots, which TMO will most likely do anyway).

Raid disputes like fte, who was there first ect could be easily solved by having both guilds elect a champion to duel 1v1 to decide who gets rights to the contested mob.

Or just have everyone dogpile it and whoever gets credit for the kill gets credit.

HeallunRumblebelly · #**298** 06-29-2014, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wasn't around during this time period, so I'm sure there might be more reasons, but the #1 reason appears to be exactly what you stated. Those who wanted to play the hardcore raid scene went off and did.

I feel like this argument has been beaten to death thirty times over. BDA members just don't want to compete for mobs on the level that is required in class C. I believe Lazie stated things are different now, I don't know what is different but I'd be interested to hear what has changed over the months. Either way, it's been like pulling teeth to get folks even remotely interested in doing FFA stuff. Call it apathy, call it lazy, call it abusing the loot vending machine - whatever. The simple fact of the matter is our member base doesn't want to play the game that way.

As much as I would like to see a serious step up on our part, it just isn't really going to happen unless server staff forces it. If that day comes, it'll be the end of BDA.

I know that would bring great joy to many of you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah. And pretty much all of us who've been here from the beginning have taken breaks. Even no-lifers like myself and hokushin have taken breaks, because when it's at it's best it's super fucking time consuming and/or stressful. And that's great--it's fun, it's just a bitch sometimes. The situation we have now...the only people who really lost were those selling raid loot. And the increase in population since the raid change has honestly offset that even more. They've given the class R guilds a small hit of the crack and now they'll pay even more to get more.

SyanideGas · #**299** 06-29-2014, 12:27 PM

Cuc's Journeyman Wordsmith. Pras

Pint · #**300** 06-29-2014, 12:41 PM

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I don't even see what the argument here is. Class R guilds don't wanna race, so they don't, so they don't get very many mobs. Most seem rather content with the situation as it is, still getting some mobs. With the repops we probably average out to about as many mobs as we had before. Sky is still fucked with this rotation thing, but that's mostly because of efreetis having ultra uber wtf rare loots like belt/fist/bow etc.

Noble rotation never really worked out for us cuz of not knowing when OOAs were be despawned and then having a situation where the prize for breaking the agreement (more OOAs / hands) got bigger and bigger until someone did it. Velious fixes this, though, as noble loot becomes....not very good compared to velious loot :P Just something we'll have to wait out one way or another.

Wrong thread heallun, this is about R not sky