not a single player has told me to plan on raiding

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lumping TMO and FE in the same boat with regards to loot is lazy and ignorant.

Trust me nobody in the "lesser guilds" give a fuck about TMO or FE. And they are not lazy and ignorant. They might even be called normal instead of eat up with with the dumb shits about a 14 year old game as adults now.

[arsenalpow]

Well that's not entirely true. For TMO they have stacks and stacks of epic pieces that they sell. Those epic pieces are what many mages, SKs, necros, bards, and wizards desperately need to finish their epics. TMO doesn't even have alts that want the pieces but TMO will continue to kill these targets to keep the loot from others. You can't really lump FE into that situation.

That's probably the main source of this heartburn. No one in the 90% thinks they are entitled to the loot, they just want to complete an epic and fight the encounter because that's what this game should be about. I'm willing to bet that Rapture, Taken, Div, FC and whoever else can kill CT given the opportunity sans interference, but planar encounters especially are a complete shit show that usually involves a lot of "trains" and not a lot of discipline.

So what's the fix? People have offered numerous solutions but something has to be done. Either try something different or at least police these encounters properly. I'm hesitant to lead BDA into a CT encounter even if we have the head start because I know someone will walk in and trigger a DT cycle just because its apparently SOP, and then we'll get trained and they'll say "god BDA is so bad always training themselves" when everyone how this stuff usually goes down.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well that's not entirely true. For TMO they have stacks and stacks of epic pieces that they sell. Those epic pieces are what many mages, SKs, necros, bards, and wizards desperately need to finish their epics. TMO doesn't even have alts that want the pieces but TMO will continue to kill these targets to keep the loot from others. You can't really lump FE into that situation.

Well for one most epic pieces are not stackable.

Secondly, our motivation isn't to keep you from getting loot (as much as you fantasize that it is) Most mobs drop some epic pieces commonly and other rarely. Its those rare ones we need. Or just rare items off those bosses in general.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well for one most epic pieces are not stackable.

Secondly, our motivation isn't to keep you from getting loot (as much as you fantasize that it is) Most mobs drop some epic pieces commonly and other rarely. Its those rare ones we need. Or just rare items off those bosses in general.

You're right Alarti, since these epic pieces aren't stackable there's no way to adequately hold on to them, you probably don't even loot them at this point. Soul leeches and earth staves rotting.

[stonez138]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Secondly, our motivation isn't to keep you from getting loot (as much as you fantasize that it is) Most mobs drop some epic pieces commonly and other rarely. Its those rare ones we need. Or just rare items off those bosses in general.

Sorry, but nobody is buying your bullshit. It's painfully obvious to the vast majority of everyone in every other guild that TMO lives to cockblock. Period.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The big problem is that TMO, FE are just raiding the shit out of top mobs to equip there 4th or 5th alt now. And to sell shit for silly ass prices in the tunnel. While the lesser guilds have their main sucking hind tit. That's what pisses people off.

I have no clue what the answer is other than TMO and FE just take a vacation for a month or two. I mean how much shit do you really need??[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your info is a bit off. 90% of FE mains still need gear off raid mobs, tmo has had kunark locked down for 2 years now, they should just be banned from raiding outside VP till velious.

[Splorf22]

Gorenaire drops items that are worth less than the spore king on average, and is the hardest raid mob outside of VP. Clearly your seeing this high-risk/low reward mob up once for an hour or two before it died is proof that all raid mobs are available most of the time.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gorenaire drops items that are worth less than the spore king on average, and is the hardest raid mob outside of VP. Clearly your seeing this high-risk/low reward mob up once for an hour or two before it died is proof that all raid mobs are available most of the time.

Most recently:
FE downed gore with 33, which is about our average raid force.
She dropped a shield which is amazing for VP frost wurms, a scale which will eventually be used for someones epic, and some other items which I forget. If TMO had gotten this kill these items would be on the market in EC within hours. Dont believe me? Zone into EC when zeelot or eccezan is there.

Yet when FE gets a kill all loot is used by mains who need, how are we even placed in the same category as TMO? For christs sake they are running a pay to play scheme in VP meanwhile anyone not in TMO will have to wait months after velious is out to even go there unless they pay TMO or spend hours training against their 100 character raid force just to get an attempt at a dragon.


The problem.on p99 isn't mechanics, raid mobs spawn time, or anything thr GMs can change. P99s problem is TMO, has been for years. When people realize this on a grand scale maybe they will join forces and rid p99 of its cancer.

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I'm a player and I suggest you plan on raiding.
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[lecompte]

^ I'm having deja vu about porigromus' post, feels like I read it yesterday somewhere?