Game Mechanics: Shrink restrictions in HHK

[Gorroth]

Bumamgar, your insinuation that my screenshots have been doctored is the epitome of bad faith. To think that I would not only spend the time to dig up dusty screen captures but push the zeal further by making sure they support my claims by "enhancing" them and have them look perfect at the same time is laughable.

Furthermore, next time you quote patch notes, you might want to detail what we're supposed to understand from the notes instead of simply plopping it in our laps, akin to a "quoted for truth" statement.

Now about "fixing" shrink potions, if the devs want to go around disabling and re-enabling features that's their prerogative, but I'm sure they could be doing something else with their precious time.

[Bumamgar]

I didn't imply they were doctored, I simply stated why screenshots (in general) aren't considered valid evidence on these forums.

As for the patch notes, I'm sorry, I assumed they would be self explanatory.

Clearly you aren't actually attempting to have a constructive dialog to better the development of this server, but are instead simply raging over a change that you don't agree with. There's a rants-and-flames forum for that.

To the stated intent of THIS thread: if you want the shrink restrictions removed from High Hold Keep, I suggest you do some research and provide evidence that verifies that Shrink worked in High Hold Keep pre-Kunark. If you do that, I'm sure the devs will fix it so that shrink works in that zone here on p1999. (Again, screenshots will not be considered valid proof, for examples of valid proof, please see this post by Nilbog: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5570)

Thank you!

[guineapig]

Both Highpass and Highkeep are considered to be outdoor zones:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/z...ml?mode=bytype

However, it's not considered to be a dungeon:

A few things to note; 1. Even though this zone acts as a dungeon, even with a heavy XP bonus, it is actually considered an outdoor zone. This means you can cast SOW and other outdoor only spells.

http://old.eqcircle.com/articles/hunting/highkeep.htm

The difference here is that Karnor's is a dungeon. PoAir is also a dungeon. hence the pictures with shrunken people in them. In fact, all the images are of dungeons but sadly Highkeep isn't one.

[Dersk]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://old.eqcircle.com/articles/hunting/highkeep.htm

The difference here is that Karnor's is a dungeon. PoAir is also a dungeon. hence the pictures with shrunken people in them. In fact, all the images are of dungeons but sadly Highkeep isn't one.

The EQcircle link confuses indoor with dungeon, as if the two cannot coexist. They use the fact that SoW can be cast as explanation of why it isn't a dungeon, when you go on to mention two other places that allow SoW and shrink.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Dersk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The EQcircle link confuses indoor with dungeon, as if the two cannot coexist. They use the fact that SoW can be cast as explanation of why it isn't a dungeon, when you go on to mention two other places that allow SoW and shrink.

This is true. That article wasn't that great, just the first mention I could find about it being a dungeon. I should not have used it as an example.

I guess what would be more noteworthy is that we know that the pictures that were posted are all of dungeons and none of the pictures take place in Highpass Hold.

[Ossigor]

Welp, should still work for MM and Unrest then which currently, last time I was there about a week or two ago, I was unable to shrink.

[Brut]

This needs a bump. Remembering more than well that on live circa classic/Kunark era, I lost my shammy's level19 in Crushbone and wanted the spell level back real bad so I could keep shrinking in the Throne Room (due to ogres being unable to squeeze into the crush tower behind the chair). Also know it was pre-velious since I didn't hit 24ish on the shm until Velious opening, this was before that.

Shrink wasn't strictly an indoors thing, it was about zones flagged as dungeons.

Most hard to find proof of this though, grr.

http://web.archive.org/web/200107140...e=Shrink&type=

Last comment on that mentions Blackburrow being a zone where it works, ina year 2000!

[Brut]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shrink wasn't strictly an indoors thing, it was about zones flagged as dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Quexacotl On: 12/22/2000 1:31:32

i spent about two days in Blackburrow playing with this spell, just because it was so much fun.

Can't seem to find any class guides or spell explanation sites that would list the zones proper. Guess people weren't too big on this back then.

Badum-tish.

[Nerosys]

I guess all the people posting screenshots dont realize shrink pots can be used outdoors

[Deanob]

FAD.