Game Mechanics: Game breaking raid issue: Sirran the Lunatic - Page 3

Ele · #1 08-23-2012, 07:07 PM

http://samanna.net/3u/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1688&start=0

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Galelor wrote:

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drexxell wrote:

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Galelor wrote:
http://www.rpgexpert.com/624.html
that is the one i use, it is dated but it gives a good run down of what goes on.

In fact, it was my source for some missing HP data plus all the quest data.

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as far as killing sirran, don't bother, considering the amount of DTs someone is going to take just move him with the toon taking all the DTs and die. you can vet aa rez for full xp and it adds about 1 minute inbetween the sister kill he spawns from and the next sister kill. killing sirran is bad from all sources i have seen.

Sirran does NOT Death Touch. That is confirmed, as we've accidentally (sometimes purposefully) aggro'd him plenty in the last few months,
but never took the fight to the end. He never DT'd.

i didn't say he DTed, i said someone is going to have to take DTs anyway (from sister.) why bother killing sirran if you are going to be takeing 20+DTs anyway. just agro him, move him and die (you are going to be vet AA rezing all but 1 corpse anyway.) i was using a necro to agro him and then FD when he was moved out of sister assist range.

I didn't realize you were ONLY talking about farming the Sister, sorry. I was talking in general about whacking Sirran on any of his 7 different islands.

Drex

Lazortag · #2 08-23-2012, 07:09 PM

I retract my previous post now that I have a good reason to disagree with Nirgon. Unless someone can produce a screenshot of Sirran DTing someone I think it should be assumed that he shouldn't.

Nirgon · #3 08-23-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://samanna.net/3u/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1688&start=0

That's from 2006 and all of this may have changed then.

The Flamesofvalhalla link does not work for me.

Charm was broken for a while in EQ, but as of Kunark/Velious Sirran is not charmable and does death touch.

The Everlore link and comments prove this best.

Ele · #4 08-23-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's from 2006 and all of this may have changed then.

The Flamesofvalhalla link does not work for me.

Charm was broken for a while in EQ, but as of Kunark Sirran is not charmable and does death touch.

The Everlore link and comments prove this best.

You aren't too quick on the uptake. f-i-r-e-s-o-f-h-e-a-v-e-n.org and you have to cut and paste the remainder of the link after you type out the above URL without all the dashes.

The Tashia of Xegony guide was last updated March 2001, post Velious.
The Chango Malavida guide, posted on the Yuku link is dated July 2002, post Luclin.
The three guides linked from the Chango guide are broken.
The Word document guide is listed as having a date of July 2002, post Luclin. (Mentioned nothing of the lack of ability to charm Sirran or Sirran being capable of death touch).

The Everlore link is from March-July 2001, post Velious.

None of the guides you have provided as evidence are Kunark era, none of the guides you have provided have stated Sirran is uncharmable.

You are making a fallacious argument that the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

Ele · #5 08-23-2012, 07:14 PM

EDIT: It does appear that Artemis was a bard and this occurred after the bard charm changes/bug where it uncapped. However, this still shows that Sirran was capable of being charmed and is not flagged uncharmable.

http://www.********.org/forums/1154798-post59.html

ROFL censored link - FlamesofValhalla.org /wink

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Originally Posted by Eyashusa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Derision was a necro in RoV, used to pull Fear for us, he kicked some ass but yes, he was an asshole.

Xoleres was the ranger who was the original leader of RoV. One day he showed up in all chain and shitty ass fine steel swords and told us he destroyed all of his gear (which was like full Ruby, CoF, 2 Ykeshas, etc.) to "inspire us to do better". I think another guild finally killed Nagafen or some stupid shit like that. Everyone got super pissed because we were basically giving him all the best gear as it dropped since he was our GL, and then after like a week he showed up with all his gear on and told us he tricked us.

Then yes, sometime later into Kunark or Velious, he "died" in real life and then mysteriously reappeared less than a year later and it turned out he staged the whole thing. People on the old Bristlebane message board (smut board I think?) used to call him Zombie Xoleres and had a lot of fun with that.

I was in Succoring Winds too. I actually stole the name Eyashusa from some guy in AO but I'm not actually him.

Does anyone remember the enchanter Brewe? His guild Bixie Busters, was the most hilarious guild name ever. I remember he pissed off the entire server when he rolled on a Cloak of Flames and gave it to himself. Justified rolling by saying it was All/All and casters have to melee sometimes too! Hilarious.

The whole Montes drama was hysterical too...and Artemis charming Sirran the Lunatic and killing everyone in Sky...good times. Any BB people still post on that board?

http://www.********.org/forums/530112-post87.html

same censored website different post

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Originally Posted by Cybsled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best broken bard ever was when they could charm anything. Keymaster > Sirran the Lunatic X_X

Nirgon · #6 08-23-2012, 07:16 PM

The Keymaster should also death touch if he does not already I've confirmed.

uygi · #7 08-23-2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Keymaster should also death touch if he does not already I've confirmed.

If you can't do the slightest amount of work to find out how P99 works, I don't see why we should listen to you. Go up to Sky and find out for yourself.

bizzum · #8 08-23-2012, 07:52 PM

Nirgon already confirmed with the clue crew that death touch needs to be there. This sounds like a job for the Hardly Brothers.

Nirgon · #9 08-23-2012, 08:40 PM

The FoH link is also based on someone's memory.

If Sirran was charmable ever, at all, it was fixed very quickly.

Sirran and Keymaster should both DT. I'll work on some screenies.

Ele · #10 08-23-2012, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The FoH link is also based on someone's memory.

If Sirran was charmable ever, at all, it was fixed very quickly.

Sirran and Keymaster should both DT. I'll work on some screenies.

I already edited that post that it was after bard charm issues came about, and the relevance of that post is likely not that great to show his overall charmability. It does however indicate that Sirran was indeed charmable and not flagged uncharmable.

Again, you haven't posted any evidence that states Sirran is uncharmable. You keep arguing that because no one in your sources said Sirran was charmed, that it was not possible.