New Server

[djstaid]

I missed the pre-Kunark train on Live as well as here on P99. It would be cool to have the pre-Kunark experience, but as it stands now is much like it was when I started back in 2000 (i think). Gives me the experience of almost what it was like back the first time around. haha

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Falk, you know as well as I that twinking was uncommon and powerleveling was rare back in the day.

False. Twinking was highly common and I leveled my main, Falkun, during Kunark & Velious with many twinked rerolls/alts. However, there was also a larger EQ population, so you had a lot of new characters as well. You probably have a similar proportion of old/new players here on P99, but since the concurrent server population is 500 instead of 3000, its more noticeable.

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do agree that wiping the server is a bad idea; I want those pixel hogs to stay on that server; so the rest of us can play on the new server.

TMO doesn't play to win pixels, they play to be the best at the server. If this was their own private box, they'd get bored and leave quickly. But because they have other persons to keep down, it remains fun for them. Examples:

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

End scene. Gwence basically said if velious came out before TMO started competeing then IB would have have been #1done in velious. You guys are only #1 if there is no #2,3,4 etc.

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) Sorry, didn't see you on the battlefield.
2) They were always there. I seriously doubt any more training is happening than before when I played against IB. If it did, you'd not even be able to log on without dying to one.
3)Server rotation does not equal competition. Me and a few others have already expressed ways to make the raiding better without a rotation. They've all been ignored or forgotten and pushed aside. Also, what makes you think I want the "easy way out" with no "competition"? I have fought more for my place on the server than 99% of p99 thank you very much.

Pretty sure Rogean stated publicly on the boards that a server rotation would never be put in.

ps - you're welcome for the Ragefire agreement. Where most of you bitched and complained, a select few put forth the effort to get it started and made sacrifices you'll never know.

A new server is not the answer. A wipe is not the answer. More concurrent content (so you can't lockdown boss_A and then move to boss_B) is the answer. General server consensus is the answer. More concrete rules & mechanics that do not require CSR intervention are the answer.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you know as well as I that twinking was uncommon and powerleveling was rare back in the day.

Lol. Really? REALLY? You're gonna just come out and claim this? It's more common on P99, but I think this is a dramatically wrong statement.

Everyone and their mom had a monk or other melee twink in 2000. Everyone. Everyone. EVERYONE. Half of my guild had twink monks (even a number of fungi level twinks), and my guild was pretty casual.


The reality is that most of the playerbase on p99 are the top 30% of engaged players back in the day. This means we know the tricks and the shortcuts a lot better than the more casual players did, and hindsight makes us incredibly more knowledgable now than we were back then, so it compounds itself.

But let's not come with nonsense about powerleveling and twinking being uncommon. Lol.

I actually two-boxed occasionally between two desktop PCs in the Velious era (different rooms and I wasn't allowed to move the PCs, which made it really difficult, but possible) - had a shaman buffing my monk while I destroyed crap in Velk's.

And again, on live, I never did any of the major velious raids (we did Kael but never Vindi), Plane of Sky, CT, Innothule...Any of that. I wasn't among the elite playerbase. But even I saw the twinking and two-boxing (although technology made that harder) and powerleveling all the time.

[Arclanz]

I suppose a time frame would help; as well as defining "twink."

A hand-me-down or two isn't what I meant. Farming plats or camping numerous spawns with high level characters to gear up a low level alt; that's a twink.

The common player did not really twink (hence, "uncommon") in classic. It started to occur near the end of classic; and picked up during Kunark. By Velious, heavy twinking was in full force. But as tops says, above, the really stupid twinking was quite rare.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Farming plats or camping numerous spawns with high level characters to gear up a low level alt; that's a twink.

Yeah, exactly. This happened all the time. I cede that it was less often from 2000-2001 than it is on p99. But it wasn't uncommon in the least.

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The common player did not really twink (hence, "uncommon")

The common player in 2000/2001 is not the common player on p99. That's also something I mentioned.

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It started to occur near the end of classic; and picked up during Kunark. By Velious, heavy twinking was in full force.

Sure, granted - and this is because Kunark and Velious were barely a year apart - new content exploded, relatively, compared to what has happened on p99. That's a valid point - we hit the relative content ceiling pretty quickly and forcefully on p99.


But it still doesn't justify a server wipe or splitting an already small population between two servers. Period.

[Huggz]

Hey, so I would like to try and get this thread back on track.

What I was saying in my original post is that I would LOVE to experience the standard Vanilla server reset from a blank slate. The only EQ I ever played was Vanilla, and I played from nearly day 1 until the release of Kunark.

So I guess what I am putting up are the following two questions:

1) If we started a fund of donations to get a new server rolling, how much do we need to raise?

2) Are any of the staff really even interested in this idea? It takes work.



I think a lot of people would jump at the chance to begin anew. But I may be wrong.

[Arclanz]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...But it still doesn't justify a server wipe or splitting an already small population between two servers. Period.

I didn't say anything about a wipe or splitting the population. Start a new server fund; then a bunch of us will donate and come back if it launches. If some other players on blue leave to join the new server; that's not really my problem. Sounds like you want to force everyone to play on your server. Why?

[tops419]

This server is just a twink fest.

If the dev's started a paypal fund to start a new sever and said once we reach X amount of donation money we'll open a new server, I'd donate to that.

Right now, you just feel like the money from donations will only help the HARDCORE end-game crazies get more content to lockdown that normal folks may never see.
Most people haven't experienced Kunark yet.

The forums are the most exciting part of P1999 right now.

[Ravager]

Personally, I'd like to see the old server finished (content and mechanics-wise) before a new server.

[Arclanz]

Originally Posted by tops419 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This server is just a twink fest.

If the dev's started a paypal fund to start a new sever and said once we reach X amount of donation money we'll open a new server, I'd donate to that.

Right now, you just feel like the money from donations will only help the HARDCORE end-game crazies get more content to lockdown that normal folks may never see.
Most people haven't experienced Kunark yet.

The forums are the most exciting part of P1999 right now.

I would totally donate to a New Server fund; no interest in donating or playing on existing blue.

Hey Ravager, no one would stop you from completing content on that server. A new server would moreso attract new players than leach existing players off blue. If there IS a max exodus from the current blue server, that in itself is telling.