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[Dullah]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be honest nothing is going to affect pop that much. People don't want to play classic pvp. People barely want to play LoZ.

Content isn't the answer. It will help but it won't bring that many long-term players. The server just won't have anywhere near blue's population. We just need to learn to play with low pop.

(I'm also dead set against the hybrid XP penalty. Always was. Sony - or was it Verant - wised up and removed it but we're stuck with it here. Not everything classic was ideal.)

This could be true, or it might not be. Hard to say.

I think if a lot of the problems would have been worked out before the r99 launch, the player retention would have probably been 2 or 3x higher. Guard assists, classic resists, and some bug fixes would have restored a lot of faith in r99.

At some point, the population hits a mark (under 150 or so on a no-boxing server) where, aside from being discouraging for a potential player, the server can no longer perpetuate with new players because its too hard to level up or find something meaningful to do. Thats been the biggest hurdle here since as far back as February.

Now, all they can do is just throw some stuff up in the mix and see if it helps. Stuff like yt and hot-zones could potentially provide a boost, but its just treating the symptom, not curing the problem. I'd like to say theres something else that can be done in classic to "make it better", but there just isn't. Its classic, which was like an EQ tutorial. Was great in 1999, but in 2012 its offers 3 or 4 months of content - tops. Thats 3-4 months of player progression, and meaningful reasons to log in and pvp. Without fighting over xp camps, item camps and raids, you have to either add item loot, or manufacture a reason to pvp like YT or leaderboards. On top of that, to say classic wasn't the greatest era for pvp would be a huge understatement. Kunark-velious introduced true progression and improved pvp by leaps and bounds. More to do (like 10x that of classic) as well as introducing skills and balancing to classes and weapons that made it far, far more fun.

Beyond that, the next biggest issue was that the pride levels among the r99 crowd are off the charts. They play the game like its permadeath, where if they aren't able to win a fight or be box champions, they just /wrist and try to pretend it never happened. Which wouldn't be so terrible, but then they've tried to bring the server down with them.

[Cwall]

xen is trollborn

i die with laughter every time some moron thinks that kunark will save a server with a population of maybe 50-70 total players

enjoy there being more zones than characters logged in

wait

nevermind you have that already

[Xen]

What about character transfers from blue to red. Maybe even remove certain items if they want to make the switch

[Dullah]

I actually proposed that to staff not long ago.

My suggestion would be to allow character copies where they retain their level up to 50, and have no items. It would leave their blue char as is, and only be a copy.

Another option would be player transfer, where characters could be moved over, and retain their classic gear, but still be capped at 50.

Would be cool, imo. Right now especially with the buzz from blue botb. A spike would give other players incentive to play, and give people someone to pvp.

[Xen]

Yea but they would need to have some items and a certain amount of pp. Maybe full pre-planar sets?

[Dullah]

They wouldn't need anything, especially casters. At 50 you could go out and kill stuff with just your starter weapon and upgrade. Get some bronze armor, farm a little plat and have jewelry in no time.

It could be assumed many would come over in groups, so they'd help each other. Wouldn't be good to have an influx of items or plat on the server. Were only in classic, a full group of 50s with any gear can farm dungeons.

[SearyxTZ]

To sum up why even I prefer LoZ: there's active pvp (most important classic feature to most reds), and Devnoob is completely on top of shit. He posts on the forums regularly and fixes stuff pretty quick.


I'm sure someone smart can extrapolate from that what R99 would need if it wanted to bring its numbers back up. I'm not really interested in saying anything else beyond that since we've had these redundant "fix the server" conversations about 500 times now and they never actually go anywhere.

[Tr0llb0rn]

Originally Posted by SearyxTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To sum up why even I prefer LoZ: there's active pvp (most important classic feature to most reds), and Devnoob is completely on top of shit. He posts on the forums regularly and fixes stuff pretty quick.


I'm sure someone smart can extrapolate from that what R99 would need if it wanted to bring its numbers back up. I'm not really interested in saying anything else beyond that since we've had these redundant "fix the server" conversations about 500 times now and they never actually go anywhere.

Everyone and i mean EVERYONE there is useing the new showeq there.

No Thanks. You can have that.

And Devnoob will never get rid of it (and worse hacks) because people will just reroll a new lvl 60 in a few days.

No Thanks.

The only people bitching about red99 now are people who dont even play. Those tha like classic red legit EQ are playing, please consult my latest "server first" boss killin threads.

p.s. about supreme rage quitting or w/e was alleged. He looted a Beckon like two nights ago. Stay on LoZ, you dont want none of that 165ish swings on you Heartbrand.

Oh P.S. Cazic Thule died last night.

Grats Mendan on the servers first Barbarian Spiritists Hammer!!!!!!

Can't wait for Kunark.

edit: almost forgot, CT was quadding, so LoZ style guilds .... do not attempt this at home! Pro people only.

[Tr0llb0rn]

Originally Posted by Hubris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think this conversation is done.

Nihi has what it wants, a server to farm items without having to contend with P99 guilds or PvP.

And PvP'ers have what we want, a PvP box.

Rogean / Nilbog had their chance, and blew it out of hubris. So now, Devnoob can claim 2x the pop on less quality, because he knew WTF to do.

I agree, the conversation is done. Everyone is where they want to be in the end.

Have fun on LoZ!!!

[Arillious]

All serious idea's have to begin with a wipe. Server integrity has been compromised in basically every way possible. As I said before, I doubt that Rogean consider a wipe unless the pop drops to 0. He doesn't seem like the type to go back on his word. If the pop is at 0, who could really blame him. It will happen at some point. I've been really surprised how the 10-20 people left have been able to keep interest this long. Everquest is a pretty terrible game when played single player.