Ask Me Anything About ASOIAF

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who is Jon Snow really? Also what do you think will ultimately happen with the Bran storyline? I like to think he might save westeros in the end.

Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. He is the Prince Who Was Promised, and his is the song of ice and fire. It seems likely that he will be one of the heads of the dragon, along with Tyrion Lannister, who is probably Aerys Targaryen II's son by Johanna Lannister, making Jon Snow his nephew and Daenerys Targaryen his half-sister.

Bran has met Brynden Rivers, who is Bloodraven, a sorcerer and greenseer from 100 years previous. He was featured in the Dunk and Egg stories. [conjecture] I believe the Others are a faction of the Children of the Forest who came to hate humankind for their encroachment on their territory and killing of their people. Instead of the sad, long route of waning into history, they have chosen to fight back with their command of death and nature, which has twisted them as a race. [end conjecture]

It's harder to see where Bran's story is going than almost anyone else's... he will be beyond the Wall when the Others invade. Poor Jojen and Meera Reed up there in no-man's land. Perhaps he will reconcile the two factions of the Children and blunt the hatred of the Others. He is almost certainly going to spend hundreds of years sitting in a cave with roots up his ass. Very creepy.

Of course, Rickon is in Skagos with Osha. Davos Seaworth has been commissioned by Lord Manderly to return him to the North so that the old Stark retainers will have something to rally around. But then, Littlefinger is doing much the same with Sansa and Harry the Heir, but he'll have little need of Harry once Sansa marries him. Little Robert is doomed to die quickly and unlamented, being a sickly and petulant child.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Reikerz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does one's life becomes so pathetically bleak and hopeless that they decide that becoming an ASOIAF expert is a worthwhile venture?

As well to ask, what better purpose to a man's time than scholarship? To bring the light of knowledge and reason into the world is a noble calling, shared by such luminaries from Prometheus to Socrates to Hawking.

I would counter with, how does one's life become so pathetically bleak and hopeless that they decide trolling humankind's highest duty and honor is a worthwhile venture?

[Slave]

For make no mistake, this is an historically significant work of literature.

[achtung]

Originally Posted by Slave

For make no mistake, this is an historically significant work of literature.

Disagree. First 3 maybe the the last 2 are in dire need of an editor. He must have used "cheek by jowl" 40 times in the 5th one. All that HBO money going to his head.

[Kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by Reikerz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh.

If you could have sex with any ASOIAF character who would you pick

Along which part of the storyline? Aren't they all like 10 years old in GOT?

[aresprophet]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. He is the Prince Who Was Promised, and his is the song of ice and fire. It seems likely that he will be one of the heads of the dragon, along with Tyrion Lannister, who is probably Aerys Targaryen II's son by Johanna Lannister, making Jon Snow his nephew and Daenerys Targaryen his half-sister.

While there's plenty of evidence to support your assessment of Jon's parentage (if it turns out he's not the son of Rhaegar, Martin has been trolling us all along) there's next to nothing to support the hypothesis that Tyrion is anything but Tywin's son. That's wishful thinking on the part of readers who want Tyrion to be special because he's their favorite character.

It's a huge stretch to go from "Tywin dislikes Tyrion" to "Tyrion must not be Tywin's son" when the simplest explanation is that Joanna died in childbirth, not because she was raped by Aerys.

Unlike Jon, there's not much reason as the series stands to think that Tyrion is the third head of the dragon. The rhetorical question "if not him then who is it?" is dumb because we don't have strong evidence for it being anyone right now.

I could be wrong and Tyrion's parentage turns out to be a big secret but it's not hinted at strongly enough right now to put any stock in it.

My intuition is that Dorne is going to have some special significance; Quentyn Martell's quest aside, a lot of threads are dangling loose down there. Myrcella is in Prince Doran's hands, the Red Viper poisoned Tywin Lannister and nobody realizes it yet, his daughters want blood, and it's entirely possible they'll side with Aegon and the Golden Company in war against King's Landing. With Tywin and Kevan dead, Tyrion exiled, Cersei declawed, Varys and Littlefinger working against the throne, there's nobody left but the Tyrells who can really stand against that kind of attack. And let's face it, the Tyrells are too shrewd to fight a war they may not win.

And let's not forget Princess Sarella lurking around Oldtown just as the Maesters seem to be getting up to some serious shit. The Dornish are going to be a big, big player in whatever comes next.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by achtung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disagree. First 3 maybe the the last 2 are in dire need of an editor. He must have used "cheek by jowl" 40 times in the 5th one. All that HBO money going to his head.

And how many times was "wine-dark seas" used in the Odyssey? It's called an epithet. Not that I believe that actually occurs much in ASOIAF, but if it did, it is certainly a literary device according to Martin's skill.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by aresprophet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While there's plenty of evidence to support your assessment of Jon's parentage (if it turns out he's not the son of Rhaegar, Martin has been trolling us all along) there's next to nothing to support the hypothesis that Tyrion is anything but Tywin's son. That's wishful thinking on the part of readers who want Tyrion to be special because he's their favorite character.

It's a huge stretch to go from "Tywin dislikes Tyrion" to "Tyrion must not be Tywin's son" when the simplest explanation is that Joanna died in childbirth, not because she was raped by Aerys.

Unlike Jon, there's not much reason as the series stands to think that Tyrion is the third head of the dragon. The rhetorical question "if not him then who is it?" is dumb because we don't have strong evidence for it being anyone right now.

I could be wrong and Tyrion's parentage turns out to be a big secret but it's not hinted at strongly enough right now to put any stock in it.

My intuition is that Dorne is going to have some special significance; Quentyn Martell's quest aside, a lot of threads are dangling loose down there. Myrcella is in Prince Doran's hands, the Red Viper poisoned Tywin Lannister and nobody realizes it yet, his daughters want blood, and it's entirely possible they'll side with Aegon and the Golden Company in war against King's Landing. With Tywin and Kevan dead, Tyrion exiled, Cersei declawed, Varys and Littlefinger working against the throne, there's nobody left but the Tyrells who can really stand against that kind of attack. And let's face it, the Tyrells are too shrewd to fight a war they may not win.

And let's not forget Princess Sarella lurking around Oldtown just as the Maesters seem to be getting up to some serious shit. The Dornish are going to be a big, big player in whatever comes next.

Dragon dreams, dutiful Johanna, the entire conflict between Aerys II and Tywin, what do you think caused that? Tyrion's especially light-colored hair, his dwarfism resulting from centuries of inbreeding on his father's side, Aerys's coveting of Johanna, incidents which occured during the bedding, Twyin's barely-restrained hatred of Tyrion, the only reason he doesn't kill him outright is because it would prove his shame to all; read Barristan's speech to Daenerys in ADwD: there is more evidence for his being the son of Aerys than Tywin.

I didn't catch Oberyn's poisoning of Tywin, that is awesome. I enjoy the Sand Snakes as much as anyone, and of course Gerold Dayne is hilarious as a wannabe Batman-type. Dorne has already lost two princes in the war - Doran is cautious by nature but but yearns for vengeance; cautious and vengeful men like Manderly have surprised us before. And Dorne has 50,000 spears in two armies.

With the trend toward tragedy, they may spend themselves on the Targaryen Pretender Aegon, leaving Daenerys to pick up the pieces. Tyrell is already under attack from the Iron Islands, and now have Aegon to deal with. My guess is that The Golden Company and Dorne ally and Mace Tyrell is finally able to prove his worth in battle: not much. They will expend themselves on each other until Jon Connington, an actual badass, succumbs to the greyscale.

With the shocking end to ADwD, Cersei is again back in the forefront of leadership; there is no one else to assume the regency. And now she will be more careful to match her base cunning... but of course Jaime will kill her. The valonqar...

[Slave]

Oh did you catch why Varys is a Targaryen loyalist? I finally figured this out the other day. He gives Tyrion some bullshit excuse but --- it is because he's a wizard and his power is linked to the dragons.

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh did you catch why Varys is a Targaryen loyalist? I finally figured this out the other day. He gives Tyrion some bullshit excuse but --- it is because he's a wizard and his power is linked to the dragons.

Clarify.