Spells: Sword of Runes procrate Wrong

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by mourning [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reposted from RNF:

Nilbog :

The way it works now IS classic and what should be in, it makes the swords a useful item that a mage can summon, cool feature.

The proc rate was set on pets too high, and it was thoroughly abused by most everybody that is now high level. Even abused to kill raid mobs.

What the problem is, is while the fix is a good idea in theory, it really penalizes the majority of the server who are just hitting level 29 and can just start to use the swords on their own pets.

These are the people who reported the bug, not the ones who have abused it for the last 3 weeks. The poopsockers knew it would play out this way, and chose to use it in a way that it will be nerfed when it "trickles down" further disadvantaging the common "Peon".

It either needs to stay in for now, or fix it and give something to the non poopsockers (exp bonus maybe?) A server wide bonus for a few days or perhaps some "hotzone" bonuses for all zones under level 40.

Thanks for posting that, to say im disheartened is an understatment. Leaving it in should not be an option. It should be fixed and the people who abused it should be punished, plain and simple. Its the same people getting wands nerfed and so on. its old, do something about it, or there will be a post about something else similar next week.

Nobdy deserves easy lvls, And not everyone has access to a mage, then or now. Should I get free or "bonus" exp because i didnt get to wand quad kite for a few lvls too?

[Uthgaard]

This thread was about the proc rate, and before I even read any of the nonsense that followed, I checked and confirmed that it was erroneous as well. The procrate was up in the range of the summoned cleric hammers.

There's no question about whether it was right or not, nor would you have anything to support you if there was. It's not a negotiation about whether or not it should work or who used it. The pvp server seems to have brought an influx of people who don't comprehend the standard of evidence. It was wrong, it got fixed, end of story.

[Brinkman]

Uthgaard, I didn't mean to muddy up the bug forums, normally im straight to the point with the bug, and thats it.

What I'm concerned about is the amount of " Things like this " that are happening, them getting fixed, and it seems the same people over and over are the ones getting to take advantage of them causeing the changes, and seemingly nothing being done about it.

I'm just tired of hearing rumors, doing work to verify them, posting it, getting flamed. Then changes are made, and the next day it's something new. If something is being done, it does not seem to be enough.

Uthgaard, you once suspended me for 24 hours because i argued with you in ooc, when i didnt even know who you were. Now, folks are getting away with trash like this? It doesnt make sense. I understand your situation, not a lot you can do, but imagine how the majority here feel.

[Nizzarr]

Originally Posted by Brinkman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People are abusing this, not reporting , and getting loots and exp they shouldnt, it need to be hotfixed. 1 ( one ) mage pet can do upwards of 500 damage a minute to nagafen with the procs alone.


The whole, " Well I didnt know it shouldnt proc this much" , " I didnt know it was a Kunark Spell " Crap needs to end. Stop sploiting this crap and bug report it.

In case you didnt notice, ignorance didnt help the fellow with " didnt know it was too much exp" on a classic quest he used in kunark to lvl 51-53 in minutes.

They deleved him.

Thats laughable.

Here's a hint: Nagafen is immune to magic, go learn pve

[tsaC]

these swords did not even have procs when the entered the game... this is all erroneous information. Stop using '00-'06 patch notes as your crutch, and they definitely did not act this way on rallos (all pvp servers most likely) back in 1999 so yeah, cool story everyone.

[Caravelle1]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats laughable.

Here's a hint: Nagafen is immune to magic, go learn pve

he's a belly caster, meaning you can hit him with magic when you are on top of him, or the spell originates on top of him.

Melee range may be close enough to do this? I'm not sure.

[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Brinkman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uthgaard, I didn't mean to muddy up the bug forums, normally im straight to the point with the bug, and thats it.

My post wasn't directed at you. You posted a valid bug report. I have no complaints and wish more people would follow your example.

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My post wasn't directed at you. You posted a valid bug report. I have no complaints and wish more people would follow your example.

Gotcha, thanks.

[tsaC]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You use the words exploit, bug, and unlegit.

But, what you mean is, you disagree with the classic mechanics of npcs proccing sword of runes on non-summoned npcs.

That is an entirely separate discussion. Go, discuss. There are threads. If you can't find one; make it.

No, what I mean dawg is:

Originally Posted by SanlavenTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He might be talking about this patch:

October 13, 1999
——————————

Optional Patch

- A new zone, The Temple of Solusek Ro, is now available via the
optional patch.

General Enhancements
- Experience and looting rights are now awarded for group aggregate
damage. This is now true for ALL servers. We still consider this
change in ‘TEST’ and will conduct a poll as to whether it positively
addresses the kill stealing situation in approximately 2 weeks.
- As mentioned on Saturday, Rubicite armor will no longer spawn. The
new class specific quests to obtain the new armor are now in for each
class that could wear Rubicite.
- Journeyman’s Boots will no longer spawn where they did but rather are
the products of a quest.
- To address trade fraud (players removing items/money immediately
prior to trading to deceive the other player), items/money may only be
removed by clicking on the “Cancel” button.
- When receiving a text message from either an NPC or PC speaking in a
language other than “Common Tongue”, if the user’s language skill is
high enough, the language being spoken will be noted preceding the
text.
- The fishing pole will now appear in the player’s hand whenever the
fishing skill is used.
- A number of quests were both added and enhanced throughout the zones.

Trade Skills
- A number of new items have been added to Blacksmithing.

Spell Enhancements
- Some of the Items that Magicians summon with their spells have been
made better or had their effects increased.
- Fufil’s Curtailing Chant, Tuyen’s Chant of Flame and Tuyen’s Chant of
Frost have all had their effects slightly increased.
- The Burnout Series has had the negative HP component reduced
(improvement) and the stat buff increased (improvement). Because of
this, the spells are no longer permanent. They now have a 15 minute
duration. Burnout III has also had its casting cost reduced.
- Illusion: Werewolf attack speed component now works as intended.
- Insipid Weakness will research as intended.


Reading the old description on the old Castersrealm website seems to indicate that at some point the proc was added (and at a later date changed to function as Ward Summoned was intended).

Again, this spell (proc rate fucked version or not), did not exist on Rallos (A PVP SERVER) in 1999 in any fashion that I remember, but here is your patch notes for 6mo into game when it was first added. Grats Cast

[Caravelle1]

also interesting - burnout had a lower hp component for pets, and the effect was only "reduced"