Spells: Sword of Runes procrate Wrong

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by mourning [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You missed his point brinkman.

I understand the point he was attempting to make. Standing alone it can make sense, but thats just a give up mentality. Just do the right thing. If punishment were actually being handed out, ppl would be scared crapless to abuse it " because other ppl are" And would Report it. If nothing would be done about people robbing banks, im sure more people would do it, and be less likely to call the cops if they see. The key is the punishment being fully known about. The argument goes both ways. Either way this thread should be locked, its fixed pending update. Conversation should continue elsewhere.

[mourning]

It is hard to compare real life to eq emu.

The GM's can't oversee everything always, people will always cheat, or exploit, or whatever.

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by mourning [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is hard to compare real life to eq emu.

The GM's can't oversee everything always, people will always cheat, or exploit, or whatever.

I agree with you 100% here.

Thats why its even that much more important for players to submit bug reports so they can get this stuff fixed instead of playing the ... everyone else cheats card.

And when things of this magnitude are brought up openly ( in multiple threads ) And there is GM contact, they ( the gms ) should issue proper punishment. Whatever they feel it requires, so the playerbase understands its not ok.

[mourning]

Reposted from RNF:

Nilbog :

The way it works now IS classic and what should be in, it makes the swords a useful item that a mage can summon, cool feature.

The proc rate was set on pets too high, and it was thoroughly abused by most everybody that is now high level. Even abused to kill raid mobs.

What the problem is, is while the fix is a good idea in theory, it really penalizes the majority of the server who are just hitting level 29 and can just start to use the swords on their own pets.

These are the people who reported the bug, not the ones who have abused it for the last 3 weeks. The poopsockers knew it would play out this way, and chose to use it in a way that it will be nerfed when it "trickles down" further disadvantaging the common "Peon".

It either needs to stay in for now, or fix it and give something to the non poopsockers (exp bonus maybe?) A server wide bonus for a few days or perhaps some "hotzone" bonuses for all zones under level 40.

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by mourning [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reposted from RNF:

Nilbog :

The way it works now IS classic and what should be in, it makes the swords a useful item that a mage can summon, cool feature.

The proc rate was set on pets too high, and it was thoroughly abused by most everybody that is now high level. Even abused to kill raid mobs.

What the problem is, is while the fix is a good idea in theory, it really penalizes the majority of the server who are just hitting level 29 and can just start to use the swords on their own pets.

These are the people who reported the bug, not the ones who have abused it for the last 3 weeks. The poopsockers knew it would play out this way, and chose to use it in a way that it will be nerfed when it "trickles down" further disadvantaging the common "Peon".

It either needs to stay in for now, or fix it and give something to the non poopsockers (exp bonus maybe?) A server wide bonus for a few days or perhaps some "hotzone" bonuses for all zones under level 40.

Thanks for posting that, to say im disheartened is an understatment. Leaving it in should not be an option. It should be fixed and the people who abused it should be punished, plain and simple. Its the same people getting wands nerfed and so on. its old, do something about it, or there will be a post about something else similar next week.

Nobdy deserves easy lvls, And not everyone has access to a mage, then or now. Should I get free or "bonus" exp because i didnt get to wand quad kite for a few lvls too?

[Uthgaard]

This thread was about the proc rate, and before I even read any of the nonsense that followed, I checked and confirmed that it was erroneous as well. The procrate was up in the range of the summoned cleric hammers.

There's no question about whether it was right or not, nor would you have anything to support you if there was. It's not a negotiation about whether or not it should work or who used it. The pvp server seems to have brought an influx of people who don't comprehend the standard of evidence. It was wrong, it got fixed, end of story.

[Brinkman]

Uthgaard, I didn't mean to muddy up the bug forums, normally im straight to the point with the bug, and thats it.

What I'm concerned about is the amount of " Things like this " that are happening, them getting fixed, and it seems the same people over and over are the ones getting to take advantage of them causeing the changes, and seemingly nothing being done about it.

I'm just tired of hearing rumors, doing work to verify them, posting it, getting flamed. Then changes are made, and the next day it's something new. If something is being done, it does not seem to be enough.

Uthgaard, you once suspended me for 24 hours because i argued with you in ooc, when i didnt even know who you were. Now, folks are getting away with trash like this? It doesnt make sense. I understand your situation, not a lot you can do, but imagine how the majority here feel.

[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Brinkman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uthgaard, I didn't mean to muddy up the bug forums, normally im straight to the point with the bug, and thats it.

My post wasn't directed at you. You posted a valid bug report. I have no complaints and wish more people would follow your example.

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My post wasn't directed at you. You posted a valid bug report. I have no complaints and wish more people would follow your example.

Gotcha, thanks.