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Old 12-11-2011, 07:08 AM
Obeyance Obeyance is offline
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It seems like its functioning like the live version (single target + resist check during channeling[3s]). Honestly, in classic it was OP, then they broke it... denied it was broken till proven wrong, then they changed the spell all together at Luclin.

I mean, guys... Sometimes the updating things is needed. I love classic and all, but some of the stuff is tarded in pvp... PBAE mez on pvp? Mez your enemy/mob + your group/friends. IMHO, it was not intended for pvp, but the newer version is perfect for pvp. Devs, if your listening... I can deal with it being PBAE w/ resist check every 3 sec but at least make it so it doesnt hit party members please?

Also, lvl 12 nuke is supposed to have Knockback, that thread is correct w/ proof to boot. Should fix that. All this crying about bards being underpowered is right... What are we to do to the majority of players? Im happy with being Utility but throw us a bone here! Currently im not very helpful to anyone other than tappin tha boot and heal song...
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Old 12-11-2011, 10:02 AM
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It seems like its functioning like the live version (single target + resist check during channeling[3s]). Honestly, in classic it was OP, then they broke it... denied it was broken till proven wrong, then they changed the spell all together at Luclin.

I mean, guys... Sometimes the updating things is needed. I love classic and all, but some of the stuff is tarded in pvp... PBAE mez on pvp? Mez your enemy/mob + your group/friends. IMHO, it was not intended for pvp, but the newer version is perfect for pvp. Devs, if your listening... I can deal with it being PBAE w/ resist check every 3 sec but at least make it so it doesnt hit party members please?

Also, lvl 12 nuke is supposed to have Knockback, that thread is correct w/ proof to boot. Should fix that. All this crying about bards being underpowered is right... What are we to do to the majority of players? Im happy with being Utility but throw us a bone here! Currently im not very helpful to anyone other than tappin tha boot and heal song...
I'd be happy with that too. What Live on RZ eventually did (when was it? Kunark era or velious era?) was made it so that pbaoe (NOT the 4 target AE's like invoke lightning-type spells) songs/spells do NOT effect your group members ... which makes this actually useful.

My only damage is this little AE, but can't even use it for pvp because I don't want to hit my allies. So I bust out my 6 dmg DD that's supposed to knockback .. nada. Hell, our dps as bards is so low anyways if they finally do get low, most of the time they can get away easily and just plug. Q_Q
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Old 12-11-2011, 02:10 PM
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Bump for justice/response. I can confirm mes only last 2 secs or so if it lands at all. I have resisted one root since starting on the server. My mes get resisted 2 out of first 5 times i used it and when it did land it landed for 2 secs at most.
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Old 12-11-2011, 02:17 PM
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It's a small push effect, not an interrupt or stun. There are separate effects in place for that if that effect is intended. As players level up, their channeling will go up, making it harder to be interrupted by push. There's nothing wrong with this song.

I see a lot of you swearing that things should be a certain way despite evidence that it should not. Insisting that you remember things a certain way in spite of the evidence to the contrary doesn't carry weight.

Giegue posted the patch notes about the see invis component, that's just about irrefutable. Bards never had a 42 second mez in classic, the pbaoe mez was in fact that short. It also had a secondary resist check bug keeping it from working very well, so if you can't mez anything with it, that sounds like it's working as intended. And a push value of 1 is on a lot of spells, without a stun component, none of which are guaranteed (or even likely) interrupts.

So all of the complaints here sound suitably appropriate.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:41 AM
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Make a new topic about mez. As for bellow, it DID give significant knockback! Yea there's channeling, but channeling does not always work. Especially before specialization levels+, this applies very much so. I enjoy lower end pvp and hope this is changed before I'm too high for it to matter. I level slow anyways (lvl 13 now) because of job/school.

ANYWAYS, the point, 1ft knockback that at lower lvls generously interrupts spells because of the movement - it definitely did on RZ. Also the fun stuff you can do with it, like knock people off bridges/into water if strategically used when close to an edge. \

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Old 12-14-2011, 03:51 AM
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bump for staff reply
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:45 AM
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Is there no knockback effect? It was always very slight and evil halfling druids would often channel heals and gates through it with ease.
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:56 AM
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not always with ease. it was 1ft knockback. it was significant enough. Especially before specialization levels
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Old 12-14-2011, 01:08 PM
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Please add this knock back effect back into this spell. Bards have really been screwed on this PvP server, and we need some loving.
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:02 PM
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I feel this has been extremely well documented and should certainly be on the short list to be fixed, pending update.
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