Fearing engaged mobs training?

[pickled_heretic]

fearing a pet would cause a train. but your fear isn't what caused the train, it was the pet. so in other words, summoning a pet anywhere should be grounds for permanent banning for intentionally creating trains.

[Nirgon]

Let's consider this in places like plane of fear and hate instead of just black burrow and south karana.

What's fair to say? No fearing pets in pvp? No fearing pets where it could create a train? No one is therefore allowed on raids to have pets because of the risk? ... see my point?


I see pets as a risk on raids, they've always been considered one and this should be legal.

[Slave]

So if someone sics their pet on you, you cannot run near or around KOS mobs. Because that person's pet is trying to attack you, you are supposed to limit your range of movement? Am I their pet's keeper? I am going to try to survive. I am going to blind the mob and snare it and run near Shadowed Men and do everything in my power to destroy the person who is attacking me with it. So I would be banned?

That line of reasoning would be absolutely fucking retarded. Unsuspend this man immediately if that is the reason for his suspension. If I'm a bard, I would stay the hell away from other people while kiting. You know, with my unmatchably high run speed? Oh wait, Selos isn't working properly in pvp. GMs seriously need to think about where this is leading. Do we want a blue box or a red box here?

[Muaar]

only solution: training is legal

its almost fucking impossible to do on this server anyways. Ive had close to 10 people try to train me and they die with a giant pile of mobs right on top of me but none of them aggro.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Muaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

only solution: training is legal

its almost fucking impossible to do on this server anyways. Ive had close to 10 people try to train me and they die with a giant pile of mobs right on top of me but none of them aggro.

Seriously the game mechanics for mob aggro are so screwed up right now that this is true. The only way to train someone is to FD right on top of them or run social mobs onto the one they're fighting. Those should be the ONLY TWO things considered to be training.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Muaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

only solution: training is legal

its almost fucking impossible to do on this server anyways. Ive had close to 10 people try to train me and they die with a giant pile of mobs right on top of me but none of them aggro.

No, pets have been considered a risk for trains. This leads to very stupid grey areas. Someone needs to be able to quickly access logs related to an NPC being agro. If someone sends their pet after you, doesn't call it back and you FD a mob on it... well you have screwed up as the pet owner imo.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, pets have been considered a risk for trains. This leads to very stupid grey areas. Someone needs to be able to quickly access logs related to an NPC being agro. If someone sends their pet after you, doesn't call it back and you FD a mob on it... well you have screwed up as the pet owner imo.

I think most pet users themselves would agree.

I was with a mage when we were attacked by a druid. The druid ran the mage's pet through a griffin and when the griffin came back and wasted the mage, he said, "damn, noob mistake." There was no thought in our minds about petitioning it.

[Lazortag]

I think the test of whether it's a train should be whether you had aggro on the mobs at some point.

This means:

-fearing someone's mob is considered training
-charming a mob, attacking someone with it, and zoning right away is considered training

-fearing a player's pet is NOT considered training
-rooting a player mid-kite is NOT considered training
-aggroing a pet and running behind a KOS mob is NOT considered training

Are we all okay with this?

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the test of whether it's a train should be whether you had aggro on the mobs at some point.

This means:

-fearing someone's mob is considered training
-charming a mob, attacking someone with it, and zoning right away is considered training

-fearing a player's pet is NOT considered training
-rooting a player mid-kite is NOT considered training
-aggroing a pet and running behind a KOS mob is NOT considered training

Are we all okay with this?

This does make a lot of sense.

Originally Posted by Darwoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fearing pets/mobs was always a tactic, just like when someone charms something and their opponent dispels the pet causing charm to break and the pet to attack the owner.

this type of stupid crap is why we need clearly defined and explained rules now, and said rules needs to be limited to "dont hack"

Always since when? On Vallon Zek if you feared NPCs people were engaged in like this it would be against the rules. And some people did face punishment for it, the few times they were caught.

[Darwoth]

fearing pets/mobs was always a tactic, just like when someone charms something and their opponent dispels the pet causing charm to break and the pet to attack the owner.

this type of stupid crap is why we need clearly defined and explained rules now, and said rules needs to be limited to "dont hack"