Game Mechanics: Kazon Stormhammer giving insufficient faction hits

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This leads me to the conclusion that not only is there no reason to believe the hits should be larger, but also if you're able to farm him so easily during the Kunark era, that both he and his guards likely need beefed up.

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He shouldn't be easy enough to farm yet.

Dude read your own freaking posts. You went from saying that he probably should be "beefed up" to flat out saying "He shouldn't be easy enough to farm yet" within a matter of hours w/o any documentation suggesting this change whatsoever.

Go troll someone else.

[Hasbinbad]

I've really tried to like you Uth, in spite of what my guildmates have told me about what a jerk you are.. That has never been my personal experience, so I always tried to interact with you in a friendly manner.

That being said, this seems to be true:

Originally Posted by LevinJ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's nice to see that Uth has been reduced to nothing more than a forum troll whenever certain guilds post trying to benefit the server.

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[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Heebee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He was never "raid content". He was able to be killed by less than a full group at level 60 during Kunark. He had no notable drops. I'm not sure how this would constitute "raid content"?

I was hoping you'd point that out. Ask Cyrano below. It was his notion that he was a raid secret, not mine. And where did anything (other than you, but you said velious, get your own made up story right) say that he was killed in Kunark at all, let alone with such a small force?

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You say that there is a lack of documentation for a reason but honestly we're talking about a mob with no group or raid loot whose faction hit only truly affected less than 1% of the players of EQ back in 2000. You know how the raid culture was back then, raid guilds didn't make posts with info that could help them get ahead because people were competing to be #1 with worldwide firsts.

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dude read your own freaking posts. You went from saying that he probably should be "beefed up" to flat out saying "He shouldn't be easy enough to farm yet" within a matter of hours w/o any documentation suggesting this change whatsoever.

Go troll someone else.

I'm not sure what was difficult about that for you, but those are two sentences that say the exact same thing.

You can drag all of your guildmates to the forum to make personal attacks against me all you like. You're not going to hurt my feelings. Your evidence is all from 2002 and later, not 2001 and 2002 as you try to sneak that year in by association.

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The posts prior to the revamp (primarily those from 2002) indicate the King gives around +200 RoS faction points per kill before the change was made in 2004 or so.

Not only is your faction data from Dranik's Scar, by this you've shown that you're only arguing for a change to benefit you regardless of what the actual data truly says. If you got a 200 point faction hit, you would not get the result you're asking for. Go ahead and open calc.exe, 4000/200. I'll give you a hint. It's the same as 40/2.

Kazon didn't have any relevance to Ring of Scale until a faction hit was discovered and most likely introduced in 2002. Ring of Scale was introduced with Kunark and retroactively introduced to some classic mobs. Kazon didn't start with that faction hit at launch, so it clearly was added at some point. However, you have nothing to support that his hit even exists before 2002. You can skip forward through the dates and see all of the mobs that gave a Ring of Scale faction hit. Guess who is missing.

http://web.archive.org/web/200108241...ml?faction=103

[Tiggles]

Posting in a bug thread.

Kazon should be harder

[Rusl]

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http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.html?id=1781

[Uthgaard]

Yes, you've already posted that. So far your counter to my evidence has been repeatedly posting your initial evidence from long after velious and talking about how much you don't like the big mean Uthgaard. Anything else?

Not that he's shown himself to have the reading comprehension skills god gave a gopher, but I believe Cyrano said it already. What was it. Game, set, match?

[Rusl]

Can we stop with the flames already this is the bug section RnF is ---> that way.

Now can Kanras, Nilbog, someone who is still an actual dev for the server still comment on this please.

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Read the date.

[Uthgaard]

I'm aware of the date. Luclin was released 10 days later. The server is still in Kunark. Looking at the evidence from Kunark, he isn't on the list of ring of scale faction hits until 2002, and there is no evidence that he had a faction hit at all prior to that, and you have the proof in absentia in plain text on the Ring of Scale list that I provided by moving forward through the updates.

Ring of Scale appeared on Lady Vox and Mistmoore npcs slightly before the release of Kunark. Slightly before the release of Luclin, you have a sudden influx of posts about his faction hit. If it isn't documented, it didn't happen. Everything, no matter how minor, is documented somewhere on some site. So far, going through all of your own resources, and by my own contribution of the rest of the resources that exist, there is no evidence to support you.

[Rais]

He was hardly if ever killed in kunark. After we cleared VP for the first time(server wide) we decided to go on a rampage of all the city leaders. Took about 15 people or so, and it was rough killing them. A monk and shaman shouldn't be able to kill him now. We NEVER farmed him for faction during the entire time of Kunark.

As for the hits, you guys are posting info from 2001+. It's getting out of hand people taking posts from people during 2001+ time period and trying to apply it to Classic Kunark.