exp loss, in or out?

[oldfish]

I think the problem is that PVP is seen as a way to solve poopsocking disputes first and PVP being thought as being fun in itself takes a distant second. It should be the other way around.

The person who said EQ pvp has one of the harshest penalties for dying without xp loss is right. 5-10mins sit down for mana and health, re-memorizing spells, walking to your corpse (this is especially harsh for melees), losing coins... xp loss is just excessive.

People who say people who arent rolling with a ganking train will quit fast are right, and often its hard to get people who quit back.

Id say dont wait a few months to make a decision if xp loss stays or not

I thought that my "rooting in place" solution wasnt so elegant, but i like it more than xp loss.

[Bazooka]

I think it is to prevent mindless bind rush harrassment. Like if you killed someone and took a camp and they just kept coming back to screw with you just so you couldn't have the camp either.

If there are actually losing something by dying they will be less inclined to harass you while you're camping something or have some goal that can be fucked with by nude caster harassment.

That's my guess and I approve of it.

[Nune]

Why's this being discussed? It's not going to be taken out

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Bazooka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it is to prevent mindless bind rush harrassment. Like if you killed someone and took a camp and they just kept coming back to screw with you just so you couldn't have the camp either.

If there are actually losing something by dying they will be less inclined to harass you while you're camping something or have some goal that can be fucked with by nude caster harassment.

That's my guess and I approve of it.

Thats blue thinking... youre not supposed to be able to lay claim to a camp easily.

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by oldfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats blue thinking... youre not supposed to be able to lay claim to a camp easily.

Who said it's easy? You risk pvp, risk exp loss..

far from blue imo.

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who said it's easy? You risk pvp, risk exp loss..

far from blue imo.

its stupid easy.

More numbers = level faster = twink faster = win = no xp loss = no risk = easy camp hold = the same as calling a camp on blue

its just gonna be a question of who can gather the biggest zerg guild

It would still be the same without xp loss but at least guerilla tactics would be more viable

[Lovely]

Without exp loss the whole Everquest PVP asmosphere gets ruined. Then you can just bind at your XP camp and if someone kill you, then you just respawn and start attacking the people that ganked you over and over. You're suppose to be afraid of dying not threat it the way you do in games like WOW when it doesn't matter at all if you die or not.

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Lovely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without exp loss the whole Everquest PVP asmosphere gets ruined. Then you can just bind at your XP camp and if someone kill you, then you just respawn and start attacking the people that ganked you over and over. You're suppose to be afraid of dying not threat it the way you do in games like WOW when it doesn't matter at all if you die or not.

Yeah you really show how youve done lots of EQ pvp right there.

Suuuuuure, just bind yourself right next to the camp so you can pop there when you die, naked out of mana and health so their tracker can find your bind point and bind fuck you in a death loop, makes perfect sense.

[Bazia]

Originally Posted by oldfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah you really show how youve done lots of EQ pvp right there.

Suuuuuure, just bind yourself right next to the camp so you can pop there when you die, naked out of mana and health so their tracker can find your bind point and bind fuck you in a death loop, makes perfect sense.

Who gives a fuck if your in a death loop when you don't lose exp. You'll just keep dying until they get bored, med a bit and continue to disrupt with trains or spells once you can again.

All a lack of death penalty will do is enable more people to be annoying as fuck with trains/bind harassment, its obvious. If people want to take a camp from you with PvP that's fine but to just annoy people with trains and shit once they have defeated you is dumb.

No death penalty is fucking stupid and you're fucking stupid for wanting it that way, period.

[mostbitter]

I've played a lot of eq pvp and I've never been bothered by someone trying to bind rush me. If i won the first fight chances are pretty good i'm going to win the second fight against a weaker version of the person I just killed. To go even further you could just as easily prevent bind rushing by making it so that people can't bind in dungeons and then bind rushing becomes a non factor by preventing people from being bound near any camp worth fighting over. I guess i'm just arguing with a brick wall and I'll have to grief people to tears so they can do it for me when the server comes out but I'll make one last point.

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I say keep it in.... Lets discuss After a couple months go by!

The point has been made.. People that keep fighting and losing they will stop because of xp loss. Or half there guild will stop!

Its going to be a good thing pals!

I think the most positive thing is it makes it easier to decide a guild contest over a raid etc because you won't have an endless bind rush against the team holding it down. Once you have it you'll have it sort of. I remember times where there were so many bodies (plane of innovation if anyone was around) where I had to use the hidecorpseall hotkey and it went on for hours and hours.

It's going to piss off all the people that solo but oh well.

I'd say if you can make it kick in after lvl 20 or something at least people will have time to get used to the server first. Seems like a good compromise.

The trend for proponents of the exp loss mechanic are not concerned at all about the population of the server or how dynamic the types of players who will play on it. They are too eager to admit that this will discourage pvp, and guise is as being a one time thing. I'll let you in on a secret though when someone knows they are going to get shit on they are going to try to evade pvp, to know that they would also lose exp is only going to give them more reason to evade pvp.

These proponents of exp loss have the distinct attitude of a griefer. It's evident to anyone who is looking that this is what is really being catered to. This mechanic of extra grief in a game where people still hate people they played on pvp servers with twelve years later for the grief they where able to cause without additional penalties such as exp loss should be enough proof but I guess we are all going to learn the hard what is already obvious to me.