Netanyahu Raises Political Will for Iran Invasion. Zionist Press:"Iran Rattles Saber"

[deakolt]

I was just typing a big ol' response to this but then it got lost because I wasn't logged in...

so fuck it.

Believe what you want, but don't take everything you hear/read (even from the IAEA) at face value. The IAEA is by no means an impartial organization.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by deakolt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was just typing a big ol' response to this but then it got lost because I wasn't logged in...

so fuck it.

Believe what you want, but don't take everything you hear/read (even from the IAEA) at face value. The IAEA is by no means an impartial organization.

I love when people say things like "don't take the IAEA at face value". Oh, okay. I won't. I'll go ahead and corroborate their findings myself. Does Southwest fly to Iranian nuclear centrifuge bases?

What is your source of information on the subject? Have you inspected Iranian nuclear reactors? Who is it that you take at face value? There are relatively few parties that would be in a position to present any credible information on Iran's nuclear program. One would be Iran, which has obvious motives for deceit. Another would be the IAEA, which has inspected the program for years. Other credible sources would be the most advanced intelligence agencies in the world, and the governments they work for -- specifically, the US CIA, Israeli Mossad, and British SIS. Given that all these sources, minus Iran, have made parallel reports, it would be reasonable to assume that they are based in fact. That is, unless you believe they have all convened in a massive, multinational conspiracy.

If there's a comprehensive conspiracy which involves the US intelligence departments, the European intelligence departments, the Israeli intelligence departments, the US government, European governments, Israeli government, all major Western news outlets, the Israeli media, the UN, and the IAEA, well then fuck. They got me. For now, I'm just going to go ahead and take the IAEA's report at face value.

[Mardur]

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[deakolt]

Back in 2003, Condoleezza Rice threatened director general of IAEA with no re-election if he didn't tighten his stance on Iran's nuclear program.

In 2007, this same director general criticized US hardline against Iran as war-mongering. Candoleza told him to "shut the fuck up"

This was also the man who was jointly awarded the Nobel Peace Prize along with the IAEA (of course that doesn't really mean anything).

In 2009, that director general was not re-elected. Just sayin'.

Also, why does Israel get to completely ignore the IAEA as well as the NPT? Many believe they have hundreds of nuclear weapons. ? ? ?

OH YEAH WE ALREADY HAVE OUR PUPPETS IN PLACE IN ISRAEL

[deakolt]

and FUCK the bullshit that it is a matter of national security blah blah blah.

MAD means that the second Iran launches a nuke, tens or hundreds of nukes are coming to blow their country off the face of the planet.

You are ignorant if you believe that the Iranian government is so fanatic that they are willing to sacrifice everything (literally, everything) in an attack-

Furthermore, an invasion of Iran simply breeds more hate of the US in the Arab-speaking world, why not diplomacy? We are just going to proliferate these invasions until we have invaded pretty much anyone who isn't our lackey. fuck yeah Team America

[purest]

Originally Posted by daldolma

nuclear scaremongering, neo-con propaganda, gross exaggerations and straight up fabrications about the "threat" from Iran

[citation needed]

[purest]

1. There is no evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program aiming to produce a bomb. [citation] [citation] [citation]

2. Iran has a civilian nuclear enrichment program. This is permitted by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran allows United Nations inspections of it nuclear facilities. You could say Iran is not as transparent as the IAEA would like, but there is no dispositive evidence of a weapons program. [citation]

3. The International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly certified that no nuclear material is being diverted to military purposes from Iran’s civilian nuclear enrichment facilities.[citation]

4. The US intelligence establishment doubts that Iran has or wants a nuclear weapons program. [citation]

5. Israeli military intelligence has said Iran has no present nuclear weapons program. [citation]

6. On the other hand, Israel actually has developed between 75-400 nuclear weapons and has refused to sign the NPT despite international pressure to do so, in other words they are in the same boat as North Korea. [citation]

7. Israel's nuclear arsenal, the only stock of nuclear warheads in the Middle East, is what drives other countries to attempt to proliferate. [citation]

tldr: Iran scaremongering is demonstratably 100% bullshit.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

You miss his point: regardless of the evidence, Iran doesn't have a right to legitimate peaceful nuclear tech because it could be easily hijacked. We have the right to intervene and keep these people poor because in their attempt to gain modernity they could challenge our imperial power in the middle-east.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by deakolt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and FUCK the bullshit that it is a matter of national security blah blah blah.

MAD means that the second Iran launches a nuke, tens or hundreds of nukes are coming to blow their country off the face of the planet.

You are ignorant if you believe that the Iranian government is so fanatic that they are willing to sacrifice everything (literally, everything) in an attack-

Furthermore, an invasion of Iran simply breeds more hate of the US in the Arab-speaking world, why not diplomacy? We are just going to proliferate these invasions until we have invaded pretty much anyone who isn't our lackey. fuck yeah Team America

You're kidding, right? The value of a nuke isn't in using it. It's in threatening to use it. Iran gets a nuke and they get a seat at the big boy's table of international politics. Moreover, nukes don't come with a return address. Iran hands a nuke to Hezbollah and washes its hands of responsibility. What are you doing when Iran hands a nuke to a non-state actor? Invading? Like we did when we went into Afghanistan for al Qaeda? No. You're not doing shit. It's too late by then. Now, you can get in and out in a month and knock their nuclear program back a decade. Once they've got nuclear warheads, your window is closed.

And who gives a fuck what the Arab-speaking world thinks of us? Planning a trip to Jordan anytime soon? Our popularity there means dick and a half. What matters is military and economic power, and we've got the high ground by a mile in both regards. Let them get a nuke and shit changes real fast.

[Tommy_Wiseau]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

blatant 1890s imperialism

It's cool guys; they're brown.