Duo w/o Druid, Necro, Shammy, or SK

[Zapatos]

How about Ranger/Cleric?

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by Zapatos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about Ranger/Cleric?

With a ranger, there's no need to be using cleric heals. NPCs will tear through a ranger so fast anyone would have to use faster heals. Paladin/ranger would be more fun I think.

[Daldaen]

Rangers are good tanks actually

[Softcore PK]

Not saying they can't be, but druid and shammy heals are easily enough to keep a ranger up. only bonus a cleric has over them is res and a bit better hp/ac buffs..

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

only bonus a cleric has over them is res and a bit better hp/ac buffs..

and of course at any given level the cleric is a far, far more mana efficient healer

but nevermind that

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and of course at any given level the cleric is a far, far more mana efficient healer

but nevermind that

Not worth it really. Shaman can canni, and with slows/haste the mana inefficient heals won't matter so much.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not worth it really. Shaman can canni, and with slows/haste the mana inefficient heals won't matter so much.

completely irrelevant.

1. the OP explicitly said he was not interested in shamans

2. clerics are still substantially better healers when it comes to mana efficiency for essentially every level but 60, (and you don't want to be chain casting torpor on someone who is trying to dps)

there's a reason why basically every group lvl 50+ requires a cleric and every group 35+ benefits substantially from a cleric.

[Snaggles]

Yea unless the ranger is very well geared CH prob doesn't make sense but heals in general are going to be much better with a cleric. Especially HoT's.

For grind groups a Ranger can tank just fine. It's gonna be more of a mana sink compared to a real tank but obviously you won't be duoing jugs similar hard hitting mobs. What they do offer in many zones is the ability to pull singles and root park so the cleric can do what it does best: Heal.

You also don't have to worry about Jboots, levitate, and a number of other utility spells.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea unless the ranger is very well geared CH prob doesn't make sense but heals in general are going to be much better with a cleric. Especially HoT's.

For grind groups a Ranger can tank just fine. It's gonna be more of a mana sink compared to a real tank but obviously you won't be duoing jugs similar hard hitting mobs. What they do offer in many zones is the ability to pull singles and root park so the cleric can do what it does best: Heal.

You also don't have to worry about Jboots, levitate, and a number of other utility spells.

complete heal needs to hit for around 1200 for it to make sense to be used over superior healing which honestly isn't that hard to achieve even on a ranger. with level appropriate cleric and self buffs, a robe caster will have over 2000 hp at level 50. that means a complete heal needs to hit at about 40% on a lvl 50 robe caster to make sense over using superior healing. i'd have to imagine that a ranger should have substantially more HP than a robe caster, but i don't really know how much.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

complete heal needs to hit for around 1200 for it to make sense to be used over superior healing which honestly isn't that hard to achieve even on a ranger. with level appropriate cleric and self buffs, a robe caster will have over 2000 hp at level 50. that means a complete heal needs to hit at about 40% on a lvl 50 robe caster to make sense over using superior healing. i'd have to imagine that a ranger should have substantially more HP than a robe caster, but i don't really know how much.

Thanks for the numbers and analysis. Appreciated [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess what I should have said is that CH isn't nearly as efficient as it would be on other tanks. Also, that even dot heals like Celestial Elixir from a cleric blow the eventually attained Nature's Touch out of the water (4 hps/mana vs 2.44 hps/mana with less cast time). I'm still not arguing that I was right tho.

I can't even imagine a Ranger with full stat gear having less than 4k hps buffed up so your 1.2k minimum is easily surpassed. No, it's not a sk/pal/warr/or monk but a legit tank if you have realistic goals. Throw in a Swarmcaller for 600pp and it's not a bad setup. Weaponshield disc eventually too but that's a ways off.