Ventrilo: Did it progress or destroy the MMORPG experience?

[mwatt]

It didn't ruin the game because I just refuse to use it. It breaks the immersion, horribly.
Learn to type everyone.

[Mardur]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It didn't ruin the game because I just refuse to use it. It breaks the immersion, horribly.
Learn to type everyone.

I'm probably within the top 1% of fastest typers in the P99 community and I absolutely cannot text-communicate and play the game effectively. It's impossible. Once you begin typing, you lose your ability to do anything useful besides like, auto run.

By the way, everyone who in one way or another told me I was wrong, never gave any evidence supporting how I'm wrong. Blanket statements just make you look dumb. This was my favorite:

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are plenty of reasons why it's bad that has nothing to do LARP'ing. Absolutes seldom hold weight in life [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"It's bad, but I can't tell you why. Also absolutes are bad."

[mwatt]

Originally Posted by Mardur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm probably within the top 1% of fastest typers in the P99 community and I absolutely cannot text-communicate and play the game effectively. It's impossible. Once you begin typing, you lose your ability to do anything useful besides like, auto run.

By the way, everyone who in one way or another told me I was wrong, never gave any evidence supporting how I'm wrong. Blanket statements just make you look dumb. This was my favorite:



"It's bad, but I can't tell you why. Also absolutes are bad."

There are a few times when voice is EASIER than text - no question about that. The most common are probably running while typing, complicated grouping scenarios and many raiding scenarios.

However, just because something is easier, doesn't make it more fun. For me, it greatly damages my immersion. Granted, if I'm fighting an Orc, I know I'm not REALLY fighting an orc. Yet, there is something to experiencing 3D graphics instead of text, nice animation, moody surroundings. It makes the game more fun for me if the play is thematic. Talking to the real people by voice that are behind the character images messes this up for me. Plus some of the people I have had to group with over the years... I definitely DON'T want to know anything more about them than I have to.

I will grant you that in raid scenarios, it's obviously more effective to speak rather than write, and that can make the difference between winning and loosing. I'm not much for raiding anyway - and voice is one reason why - but to me, it's kind of like cheating to have to use voice. Mind you, I said for ME. I'm not telling anyone else how to play.

[Galacticus]

I am an old school gamer. People ask me how I type so fast and in reality it was because I was forced to get good at typing to play games effectively.


There isn't a better way to teach someone to type then having them type to their friends about some funny shit or something important.

There are a lot of games that wouldn't be able to function the way they do without voice communication because there is just no time to type, and the people who make the game know you will have voice so they don't bother to put that time in.

For MMOs I like typing the most. You never forget what someone says because you can just scroll up, on voice you might not really understand them because of an accent or the distance between their mouth and mic. Its also better for conflict. There are always those people who say "No I didn't say that, or No he told me this and this and this". If it's typed its all there and you cant dispute it.

[Haul]

Originally Posted by Galacticus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am an old school gamer. People ask me how I type so fast and in reality it was because I was forced to get good at typing to play games effectively.


There isn't a better way to teach someone to type then having them type to their friends about some funny shit or something important.

There are a lot of games that wouldn't be able to function the way they do without voice communication because there is just no time to type, and the people who make the game know you will have voice so they don't bother to put that time in.

For MMOs I like typing the most. You never forget what someone says because you can just scroll up, on voice you might not really understand them because of an accent or the distance between their mouth and mic. Its also better for conflict. There are always those people who say "No I didn't say that, or No he told me this and this and this". If it's typed its all there and you cant dispute it.

This ^. EQ isn't that difficult bros, and you sure as hell don't need vent to be sucessful in it. I get enough socialization irl school/work and from friends and family. Why would I wanna spend time girl chatting with some sausage fest nerds and gays. Voice communication for EQ is really only helpful in unique raid situations I guess, and if your guild/group is retarded enough to not see main assist/mezzed mobs called in guild/group chat. The majority of time p99 raid vents were hella boring and a cricket fest. I guess it could be diff if its a small group of friends in vent, but still this isn't counterstrike or call of duty. I'm tryna listen to music, tv, and or chill. Not listen to some gay fag kid who thinks hes a genius in vent lawl. /rantoff

[Seaweedpimp]

Originally Posted by Haul [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sausage fest nerds and gays.

ya

[Galelor]

Hate and love vent. Ended up spending my last year or 2 of EQ time raiding with a Euro guild on Xegony. Needless to say, vent would have been worthless for us... We were fairly high end, and did just fine without it. That said, there was an audio trigger for 'Heads Up' that people were 'required' to have set up. During the heat of tough encounters I basically did NO communication, because as a shaman in general I couldn't spare the keystrokes... Still, vent clearly has its place and has been very helpful and fun over the years.

Originally Posted by Galacticus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am an old school gamer. People ask me how I type so fast and in reality it was because I was forced to get good at typing to play games effectively...

This is the best comment I have seen in this thread. I type 90-100 words a minute, and it is thanks to EQ and similar games. No other single skill helps me to be as effective at work than being able to type quickly and accurately. I have worked with programmers who hunt and peck, and I can at least double their output... As an overworked manager, I rely heavily on email communication and quick typing gets it done! (I actually got my start in IT because a friend of a friend saw me typing and using a computer one day before we went out for drinks...)

Excuse me sir, but we cannot hire you because you cannot type quickly or accurately enough to communicate effectively. I suggest you play EQ for 1 year and we will then reevaluate your application. Thank you, come again.

Video games are good for something after all!

[Kika Maslyaka]

while I enjoyed casual conversation in groups using keyboard, I definitely believe that ventrillo is a tremendous assets to raids.
How many times raid leader noticing that something went wrong and raid on a verge of a wipe out, just doesn't have the time to type out instructions for everyone - Ventrillo to the rescue! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kevlar]

Well its cool for outing the manginas.

[Daldaen]

EQ Classic is an extremely slow paced game, relative to the pace of other MMOs out there. You almost never don't have time to type if you aren't a terribly slow typer.

I've played EQLive for 12 years and I've typed stuff out the entire time. I've used vent, but even when I'm in vent I prefer to type out stuff. I don't have to worry about being talked over, or having my mic near me etc.