thinking about rolling a warrior

[kobexbloo]

After making 7 warriors, and leveling them to 20 (some far past 20), I can say definitively that putting all your points into DEX as an OGRE is the best warrior out there.

Things I tried:

Barb +25 into STR
---(lots of dps, more than double everybody in group)
Woodelf +25 into STR
---(always encumbered, not high dps)
Woodelf +25 into STA
---(always encumbered, not high dps, not high HP*)
Dwarf +25 into STR
---(lots of dps, no slam)
Dwarf +25 into DEX
---(lots of crips**, no slam, always encumbered)
Ogre +15 into DEX +10 into AGI
---(more dps than my original barb war with all points into STR)
Ogre十 +25 into DEX
---(lots of crips, lots of dps, lots of procs, lots of hp)

The problem is going to be being encumbered, especially if you are a weapon proc whore like I am. Save up enough money for a Tinkerer Bag, if you are gonna roll anything other than an Ogre. To be fair, I was moderately well equipped (FBSS, Wurmslayer, Lamentation, etc...)

*I found out at level 60, you only gain 6 HP per stamina, which is bullcrap, given that 25 points into STA is only 150 hp at level 60!.
**From personal experience, DEX seems to modify crippling blows, but not critical hits, I am not sure why, I have even looked through the code.
十The biggest drawback from being an ogre is being so hideous, I can't stand to really look at my toon, they are also huge and don't fit nicely into dungeons unless you have a shaman or some shrink potions.

[Rhaj]

Originally Posted by kobexbloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After making 7 warriors, and leveling them to 20 (some far past 20), I can say definitively that putting all your points into DEX as an OGRE is the best warrior out there.

Things I tried:

Barb +25 into STR
---(lots of dps, more than double everybody in group)
Woodelf +25 into STR
---(always encumbered, not high dps)
Woodelf +25 into STA
---(always encumbered, not high dps, not high HP*)
Dwarf +25 into STR
---(lots of dps, no slam)
Dwarf +25 into DEX
---(lots of crips**, no slam, always encumbered)
Ogre +15 into DEX +10 into AGI
---(more dps than my original barb war with all points into STR)
Ogre十 +25 into DEX
---(lots of crips, lots of dps, lots of procs, lots of hp)

The problem is going to be being encumbered, especially if you are a weapon proc whore like I am. Save up enough money for a Tinkerer Bag, if you are gonna roll anything other than an Ogre. To be fair, I was moderately well equipped (FBSS, Wurmslayer, Lamentation, etc...)

*I found out at level 60, you only gain 6 HP per stamina, which is bullcrap, given that 25 points into STA is only 150 hp at level 60!.
**From personal experience, DEX seems to modify crippling blows, but not critical hits, I am not sure why, I have even looked through the code.
十The biggest drawback from being an ogre is being so hideous, I can't stand to really look at my toon, they are also huge and don't fit nicely into dungeons unless you have a shaman or some shrink potions.

I guess I am going to reroll my Iksar and put all 25 into dex. Man I just got him to level 4 too.. lol

[Juugox2]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes I know how slam works. You know you can hold a shield on your mouse cursor and have your offhand slot on your hotbar? Small races can bash just like a large race can slam with a simple extra mouse click. Slam is not much of an advantage. If you are spamming it for dps kick is just as effective anyway. For interrupts a small race just swaps out offhand for it.

lol that seems like it would be annoying compared to just pressing a button and who uses slam for dps? usually just use it to stop a healer

plus slam is nice for classes that dont have kick etc i know i like having slam as a shaman but i see your point in all and all really doesnt matter just go with what you like

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Juugox2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol that seems like it would be annoying compared to just pressing a button and who uses slam for dps? usually just use it to stop a healer

plus slam is nice for classes that dont have kick etc i know i like having slam as a shaman but i see your point in all and all really doesnt matter just go with what you like

If you don't like hot swapping then you might not want to play a war. Swapping out proc weapons or switching out to a 2h are pretty much required since that is the only way you can "cast" stuff. For instance you might need to land a slow proc to start the fight, then switch to your dd/stun for aggro, swap in a shield for bashes to interrupt, and swap over to snare whip before the mob starts fleeing.

And if you think that is tough then never roll a bard.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by kobexbloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

+25 into STR

lost all credibility.

if you're focusing on the end-game, STA is the only stat to raise. that's true for almost every class as it is very likely that when you're raid geared and buffed, your only stat that doesn't cap will be STA. if you're raiding in velius and you get primal (or a shaman with avatar), it's even more likely. for a tank or melee dps, the stats that matter are str/sta/dex/agi. for a caster, the stats are wis/int and sta. of all of those, the least likely to cap is always STA, so STA should always get the most points possible dumped into it at start.

for large races, bash isn't the only thing to consider - size matters. getting through doors sucks and evil faction is sometimes hard to work with. it's going to suck trying to trade in EC when you're closest bank is grobb or neriak. barb is probably the best if you want a neutral large race, but ogres that worship rallos zek are the only class/diety combination not KOS to giants in velius by default - something to consider.

personally, i picked halfling. why? sneak/hide. i can use any vendor in the game with an indiff con as long as i can safely position myself behind them. i can duck away from trains easy without having to cast invis or blow a potion. my STR sucks and being in a dungeon too long means i will be encumbered, but i've been working on obtaining str/dex gear in addition to hp stuff. i have well over 120 dex at level 25 on my first character on this server. sometimes i wish i had rolled a dwarf instead, though, because they have higher str and sta in addition to the high dex, but end-game, i think that the sneak/hide might be more worth it.

damned for sure made my rogue a dorf, tho :P (all his points went into STA, too)

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lost all credibility.

To be fair, he said he only played them to lvl 20, so he didn't have any to begin with. Level 50 is probably the minimum you should play a character to before you give any advice. I played a war to 50 at release, when dual wielding langseax was cool, and I recently played one to 50 on Fippy Darkpaw from scratch. Both were barbies. Not for slam, but just because I like how they look in plate.

[Knuckle]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lost all credibility.

if you're focusing on the end-game, STA is the only stat to raise. that's true for almost every class as it is very likely that when you're raid geared and buffed, your only stat that doesn't cap will be STA. if you're raiding in velius and you get primal (or a shaman with avatar), it's even more likely. for a tank or melee dps, the stats that matter are str/sta/dex/agi. for a caster, the stats are wis/int and sta. of all of those, the least likely to cap is always STA, so STA should always get the most points possible dumped into it at start.

for large races, bash isn't the only thing to consider - size matters. getting through doors sucks and evil faction is sometimes hard to work with. it's going to suck trying to trade in EC when you're closest bank is grobb or neriak. barb is probably the best if you want a neutral large race, but ogres that worship rallos zek are the only class/diety combination not KOS to giants in velius by default - something to consider.

personally, i picked halfling. why? sneak/hide. i can use any vendor in the game with an indiff con as long as i can safely position myself behind them. i can duck away from trains easy without having to cast invis or blow a potion. my STR sucks and being in a dungeon too long means i will be encumbered, but i've been working on obtaining str/dex gear in addition to hp stuff. i have well over 120 dex at level 25 on my first character on this server. sometimes i wish i had rolled a dwarf instead, though, because they have higher str and sta in addition to the high dex, but end-game, i think that the sneak/hide might be more worth it.

damned for sure made my rogue a dorf, tho :P (all his points went into STA, too)

i noticed that the only characters that could complete raid content had 25 points higher into stamina than the other players must be why

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lost all credibility.

if you're focusing on the end-game, STA is the only stat to raise. that's true for almost every class as it is very likely that when you're raid geared and buffed, your only stat that doesn't cap will be STA. if you're raiding in velius and you get primal (or a shaman with avatar), it's even more likely. for a tank or melee dps, the stats that matter are str/sta/dex/agi. for a caster, the stats are wis/int and sta. of all of those, the least likely to cap is always STA, so STA should always get the most points possible dumped into it at start.

for large races, bash isn't the only thing to consider - size matters. getting through doors sucks and evil faction is sometimes hard to work with. it's going to suck trying to trade in EC when you're closest bank is grobb or neriak. barb is probably the best if you want a neutral large race, but ogres that worship rallos zek are the only class/diety combination not KOS to giants in velius by default - something to consider.

personally, i picked halfling. why? sneak/hide. i can use any vendor in the game with an indiff con as long as i can safely position myself behind them. i can duck away from trains easy without having to cast invis or blow a potion. my STR sucks and being in a dungeon too long means i will be encumbered, but i've been working on obtaining str/dex gear in addition to hp stuff. i have well over 120 dex at level 25 on my first character on this server. sometimes i wish i had rolled a dwarf instead, though, because they have higher str and sta in addition to the high dex, but end-game, i think that the sneak/hide might be more worth it.

damned for sure made my rogue a dorf, tho :P (all his points went into STA, too)

you're saying that on one hand the only thing that matters is endgame stamina while admitting on the other hand that factors other than endgame stamina play a role in character creation.

orwell had a term for this, he called it doublespeak

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're saying that on one hand the only thing that matters is stamina while admitting on the other hand that factors other than stamina play a role in character selection.

orwell had a term for this, he called it doublespeak

i can't tell if you're just a flamer or trying to refute what i said. you didn't offer any evidence, so flamer it is.

but what i said is that stamina is the stat to raise since the rest will be capped end-game. i clearly state that if you're a min/maxer, the only stat to raise is STA the comparison to other stats was to highlight that that applied equally to both casters and tanks/melee.

if you don't have any intention on raiding or end-game comment, put them wherever you please. you could max the int on your wood elf warrior and practically noone would know the difference in crushbone.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i can't tell if you're just a flamer or trying to refute what i said. you didn't offer any evidence, so flamer it is.

but what i said is that stamina is the stat to raise since the rest will be capped end-game. i clearly state that if you're a min/maxer, the only stat to raise is STA.

if you don't have any intention on raiding or end-game comment, put them wherever you please. you could max the int on your wood elf warrior and practically noone would know the difference in crushbone.

my evidence is your argument. you said "you're wrong, the only thing that matters is stamina" and then you admitted halfway through your argument that you picked a subpar race for warrior due to its pathetic stamina. being able to sneak and hide doesn't help much in raid content. even if your point about being a small race is a valid one (and it's not, because you can get shrunk any time you're in a raid if you really need it), you still could have picked a dwarf.