Xzerion says TR isn't shown favoritism?

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If any guilds get raid suspensions, it would be all of them. If that's what you want I will consider it. I asked the raid guilds to start working with eachother and getting along and you still cannot go one week without multiple raid disputes and rule lawyering.

you should've banned everyone that was caught. no questions asked. trying to find out who was cheating and where for what purpose is a wild goose chase, but letting people off the hook like that was...

wow.

that shit didn't sit well with ANYBODY. no reason to be taken back by the sheer number of cheaters and change your approach. it set a horrendous precedent when you coughed up a golden opportunity to give another "fuck you" to fippy. you went soft instead of doing the same thing you'd do every night, pinky: ban them.

the vitriolic BS between the 2 top guilds didn't help either. both uth and xz are to take part of the blame for that nonsense.

[Kruel]

Koota was an officer.. Perun wasnt an officer.. Not sure what your getting at. EVERY raid guild had cheaters..

[Tyen01]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If any guilds get raid suspensions, it would be all of them. If that's what you want I will consider it. I asked the raid guilds to start working with eachother and getting along and you still cannot go one week without multiple raid disputes and rule lawyering.

Fish Bait will rise again

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

It could work Rogean if you didn't 'ask'. Obviously if left to their own devices it will not work and I feel confident in the use of the word obviously because look at how things have not gotten better since raids started here. If you want things to never change continue to take the same approach as always. But we would have all our staff intact, eliminate any needs for cheating or perception if everyone was forced to share and probably be much further along in development due to your time being freed from nonsense. The fact we are here shows that we have learned nothing from the past on this server. Eliminate all of these problems with a rotation/calendar as the result of a guild summit.

And yes it seems every guild raiding had someone suspended, the difference is some were using it to raid and maintain advantages in the raid scene and others just had people using it for their own reasons. Both against the rules clearly and cheating but there was a difference.

[Harrison]

I'm agreeing with you entirely on the fact punishments are too lax. I've never wavered from that for an instant.

But, when someone is going to paint people as saints that are very obviously not, I'm going to correct them.

This entire situation has been exacerbated by the lack of severe punishment and transparency. In my experiences across many emulated MMOs, if you aren't 100% transparent or hardcore on offenders it will never be put to rest. I've seen countless great projects go down the tubes because of the very things we're seeing now, here.

This project is probably the best I've seen, of all of them. But, it is hitting a crossroads right now that will make or break it. Losing two devs isn't going to kill the server, but it is putting it on life support. This is of course just my opinion based on years of experience in various emulated mmo communities.

[Humerox]

The punishments were too light, but outright bans are too severe.

I still think the middle road should be taken...strip the characters on all the accounts completely in addition to the xp and plat loss.

Make the same offer to all accounts banned in the past for the same reasons.

[ElanoraBryght]

VS fight has become "we cant clear to him, or the other guild will leapfrog us. so we'll leave the raid force at the zone line, and try to get FTE on VS. If we train every exp camp from VS room to zone in, and everyone fighting at zone in, along the way, so be it. At least we may get the kill!"

Where did this come from? Draco. FG's.

When gms set the precedence that it doesnt matter who kills the trash, it's ok to leapfrog others and it's all about who gets the named, all bets were off. The guild that stops to clear won't get the boss. The guild that trains every mob in the zone, kills the boss, loots 5 seconds before they wipe, has "won"* - even if that win means anyone else raiding / exping in that zone has had to eat a death / lose their exp time as part of the cost.

*Won. Heh. It's not just one guild doing this. If it doesn't wipe my raid, I don't petition it; we're supposed to be working things out not pissing gm's off. But that doesn't mean we don't see it, ss it, fraps it, and have to decide when the next boss spawns if it's worth going after or not based on the recent server history with petitions and gm responses.

[Motec]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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No-one I know died.
All trash was killed (by me, the 30 something mobs at the zone in were solo xp for my mage).
If anyone died, they would of received 96% rezzes, bull raid buffs and even assistance to re break any camps disturbed. This is not a problem at all.

Did anyone ask? Did anyone approach someone in TR or TMO about it? Both guilds would extend the same respect to anyone disturbed by their actions.

Instead, did people come to the forums crying? Its a shit position for everyone involved, but crying foul and sitting in the corner didnt achieve anything.

[bluejam]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VS fight has become "we cant clear to him, or the other guild will leapfrog us. so we'll leave the raid force at the zone line, and try to get FTE on VS. If we train every exp camp from VS room to zone in, and everyone fighting at zone in, along the way, so be it. At least we may get the kill!"

Where did this come from? Draco. FG's.

When gms set the precedence that it doesnt matter who kills the trash, it's ok to leapfrog others and it's all about who gets the named, all bets were off. The guild that stops to clear won't get the boss. The guild that trains every mob in the zone, kills the boss, loots 5 seconds before they wipe, has "won"* - even if that win means anyone else raiding / exping in that zone has had to eat a death / lose their exp time as part of the cost.

*Won. Heh. It's not just one guild doing this. If it doesn't wipe my raid, I don't petition it; we're supposed to be working things out not pissing gm's off. But that doesn't mean we don't see it, ss it, fraps it, and have to decide when the next boss spawns if it's worth going after or not based on the recent server history with petitions and gm responses.

This is why FTE is a flawed rule. Makes sense in theory, but ingame, it looks very very grim - see Trak, Draco, CT, any of the kitable outdoor dragons... there's a lot of grey area.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VS fight has become "we cant clear to him, or the other guild will leapfrog us. so we'll leave the raid force at the zone line, and try to get FTE on VS. If we train every exp camp from VS room to zone in, and everyone fighting at zone in, along the way, so be it. At least we may get the kill!"

Where did this come from? Draco. FG's.

When gms set the precedence that it doesnt matter who kills the trash, it's ok to leapfrog others and it's all about who gets the named, all bets were off. The guild that stops to clear won't get the boss. The guild that trains every mob in the zone, kills the boss, loots 5 seconds before they wipe, has "won"* - even if that win means anyone else raiding / exping in that zone has had to eat a death / lose their exp time as part of the cost.

*Won. Heh. It's not just one guild doing this. If it doesn't wipe my raid, I don't petition it; we're supposed to be working things out not pissing gm's off. But that doesn't mean we don't see it, ss it, fraps it, and have to decide when the next boss spawns if it's worth going after or not based on the recent server history with petitions and gm responses.

Yup. Which is where I come back to we need to have a summit and agree upon rules for raiding. Because otherwise you need to suspend or ban people for training if it kills another group don't you? Does having a raid target make it ok to train the zone now? Your guild may have a method for going into fear and training to kill dracoliche but if another guild is in zone and you train them how is this tactic acceptable?