Claw of Lightning or Rogue Epic for offhand?

[Cecily]

Thank you for the anecdote. There's a lot.... of variation in damage numbers for end game raiding. Have your full set of buffs + an epic bard and avatar is how you win parses. Not channeling autism for 5 min fights.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thank you for the anecdote. There's a lot.... of variation in damage numbers for end game raiding. Have your full set of buffs + an epic bard and avatar is how you win parses. Not channeling autism for 5 min fights.

You are correct there is always variation in parses. It's up to OP to decide if they want to swap main hand for better backstabs or not. I won't judge either way.

[shovelquest]

One of the things I cant get over mentally with parsers is, is it counting when I start attacking? Or when a mob hits me first when its coming up with DPS numbers?

Like not yours, but all of them. If im fighting 10x things that are all fighting me, can i trust the DPS scores for all 10 of those things after they are all dead?

Or does it like give me a low score for a mob that i agroed and then had to kill 9 other things first, before engaging with it myself?

[Cecily]

Your EQ client has a log file and a parser parses them, sectioning off fights when certain parameters are met. X hp to count as a fight which you can set to reduce noise. Fight ends when there's a slain by message and I think there's a timer, too. If you're fighting a bunch of things with the same name or people are using the same charm mobs, the parser is too dumb to distinguish them. In the scenario you mentioned, I think it starts counting when someone hits a thing and it'll time out if people stop. In any case, that's a bad scenario for getting useful parse information.

[Zuranthium]

I was given a 25/50 dagger by a GM for my good deeds. Peregrin Parsealot always swaps for his backstabs.

[Cecily]

Lol bullshit

[Cecily]

Primal spear -> Mrylo + Ragebringer is BIS for QoL. Tabithaa who was and is afaik the best geared rogue on Green bought a Vyemm's Fang to run main hand and used Mrylo to swap for backstabs, with epic offhand. Conclusion was it can parse higher, some of the time, and overall was not worth the effort. Vyemm alone can outparse Mrylo, some of the time. Not worth using over Mrylo.

As I mentioned, most of your parse comes down to buff preparation. Also having gear that will almost certainly cost more of your life than the value it provides (AoBx3, Dain Ring, Mrylo/Vyemm). Then it's just RNG. Procing avatar quickly makes or breaks your parse. And Claw of Lighting is a DKP drain. Just use your epic. It's better.

[Cecily]

Absolutely love that whip on my ranger. It's a hard sell on a rogue, but I toyed with the idea of just running that offhand for ToV / HoT clears for passive runes. There's really no way to use it without taking a big DPS hit. The fun thing is when you get really experienced on rogue, you realize your contribution to the raid is more you being there than anything else. The difference between a rogue running 80% dps and 99% dps efficiency is effectively no difference at all. You maybe add 2-3 seconds onto an encounter by not tryharding. Rogues are like bees. One hurts, but it takes a lot to kill something.

I don't quite remember the details, but TMO rogues back on Blue were pretty against weapon swapping as well. I think their testing came to the conclusion that the lag you mention interfered with the mainhand swing timer, which I believe ended up being the currently equipped weapon determining the next swing's timer, making Efreeti War Spear a *real* bad choice for swaps. Even with Ragebringer, you're going to be tacking a significantly higher delay timer onto your next swing. Also it's a huge source of potential user error. It's one more thing taking attention when I'd like to be watching for flips or my HP or that pesky enrage thing.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Looking at my DPS calculator with Backstab now included. Here are some DPS values on a standard mob and a raid mob. The Rogue is level 60, has 255 STR, 100% Haste, and 100 ATK base:

Against a normal level 50 mob with 115 AC:

1. Ragebringer Primary + Claw of Lighting Secondary - 121 DPS including Backstab and + 40 ATK from Ragebringer.

2. Vyemm Fang Primary + Ragebringer Secondary - 122 DPS including Backstabs and + 40 ATK from Ragebringer.

3. Vyemm Fang Primary + Claw of Lightning Secondary - 125 DPS including Backstab, no swap-in with Ragebringer.

Against a 60+ mob with 400 AC and 200 AGI:

1. Ragebringer Primary + Claw of Lighting Secondary - 80 DPS including Backstab and + 40 ATK from Ragebringer.

2. Vyemm Fang Primary + Ragebringer Secondary - 82 DPS including Backstabs and + 40 ATK from Ragebringer.

3. Vyemm Fang Primary + Claw of Lightning Secondary - 82 DPS including Backstab, no swap-in with Ragebringer.

[kjs86z2]

The only swapping you should be doing is from your primal proc to Weapon X + Epic.

Vyemm whip is a stretch. Just chug worts.