What lvl to Quad

[WizardEQ]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It absolutely is. The difference in damage per point of mana ratio on Pillar as compared to Circle of Force (the most efficient targeted AoE up to that point) is absolutely huge.

Has anyone calculated the dmg ratio of PoF / CoF, including cast time and repop?

[WizardEQ]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

During successful quads, i've never had to reapply BoF. The only times I have to cast it multiple times is if I get a resist on the initial cast or a bunch of resists on the AoE, which ceased after I stopped trying to take on Specs between 37-40 and went with a more consistent location. I don't think i've had meaningful AoE resists since level 46.

Guess I need alot more practice. At lvl 36-37 it seemed like jail-break time, recasting BoF, resists, etc.

So at lvl 38, Specs in Oasis, or are you saying they'll be too many resists?

I hate getting that first resists, even though if you're careful you can still pull it out. Clean casts are amazing when they happen.

I don't know how others are doing it at lvl 16, without jboots and snare, always relying on a friendly druid to pop by and being careful with mobs biting them in the ass! I still don't have jboots but at least can afford paying for SoWs now. In OT, even with BoF the mobs seem to almost catch up to me. The OT mobs seem alot faster than anything but Griffs elsewhere.

Xaxian

[Atmas]

It's no contest.

Pillar of Frost:

At 51 (First lvl available)
755 damage per mob x 4 / 325 mana = 9.29 dpmana

Will actually go up to 800 damage per mob and 9.846 dpmana

Circle of Force:

At 34 (First lvl available)
202 damage per mob x 4 / 175 mana = 4.617 dpmana

Will go up to 216 damage per mob and 4.937 dpmana

Same cast, recast, and resist modifier.

[Atmas]

I quadded a lot in live. Craig Spiders, Gnolls, Wyverns, Bulthar, PoFire mobs, Otters, Beetles, HGs, etc... I would say both here and there it should be pretty infrequent reapplying of AoE snare unless resisted on the first attempt.

OT sucks imo. I tried doing some rhinos and they run at different speeds and a ton of aggressive wanderers.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by WizardEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never saw post about quadding mammoth. Maybe stupid question but no snare is needed for these guys I guess.

Messianic got me quading mammoths, and that's where I got addicted to the whole quad thing.

You need to snare them.

[WizardEQ]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Messianic got me quading mammoths, and that's where I got addicted to the whole quad thing.

You need to snare them.

That's why I'd love to see someone consistently quadding at lvl 16.

In OT yesterday, I was dropping my full loads near SF near the ZL groups. Perplexed, someone actually blurted out, "A wizard can quad, holy shit!"

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Messianic got me quading mammoths, and that's where I got addicted to the whole quad thing.

You need to snare them.

You don't have to, it just makes it a lot easier. I was quadding them well before I got snare. You do need SoW or JBoots though. As illustrated in my terrible drawing below knowing when to cast using the terrain is important too. You should try to cast just when you are at max range and there is terrain between you and the mammoth that takes longer to traverse than a flat patch of ground. Casting on the other side of a dip makes it so that it takes longer for the mammoth to actually cover the distance to you.




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Even when you get snare you should avoid casting on a hill if your target is on the same hill.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Messianic got me quading mammoths, and that's where I got addicted to the whole quad thing.

You need to snare them.

You don't have to [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It's just faster

Originally Posted by WizardEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's why I'd love to see someone consistently quadding at lvl 16.

In OT yesterday, I was dropping my full loads near SF near the ZL groups. Perplexed, someone actually blurted out, "A wizard can quad, holy shit!"

I managed to quad stuff between 20-22 in NK (pre-kunark) - it was just really slow because I had to bind at the EC tunnel, get sow and clarity (I didn't have the cash for sow pots, this was my first char on server), port back to NK, med to full, and go find suitable mobs. I did it a few times between 16-20, but finding a sow was difficult during off-hours...

I found until 24 (partially because of self-transportation spells to get sow), it wasn't as efficient as camping single, quick-respawn, ZEM mobs like Osargen in the HK jail, although he was dangerous as all hell...I'd get 3 or 4 root resists while he's tripling me (rogue npc, frontal backstab = free swing) for 90. He had crap for HP though...

[Raavak]

"full speed kiting" as I call it, without snare, is really exciting because you can't delay an instant or you get hit. Fun, but you also use extra time building space between you and the quad. I was doing this at aviaks before mammoths. Its nice seeing the exp bar move a blue at a time...