Swarming - No Fear/POG/Velks?

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GMs have conveniently provide a list of what they consider dungeons to remove any confusion or conjecture

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=370929

The previous post included that very link, with a copy/paste of the criteria. There are, however, specific zones on the list that don't mtach the requirements described. One assumption would be, Plane of Fear/Growth are designated as Dungeon Type Zones because they are raid zones, but then technically the same could be said for a number of the Open-World zones. So the list itself only adds to the confusion and doesn't seem to match the classic definition of what is and isn't a dungeon.

[Samoht]

No, no it doesn't. There is no confusion. They have specifically named what is and is not a dungeon. Should be crystal clear.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, no it doesn't. There is no confusion. They have specifically named what is and is not a dungeon. Should be crystal clear.

They did so here ...

Plane of Fear - Dungeon
Plane of Growth - Dungeon
Plane of Hate - Dungeon
Plane of Mischief - Dungeon
Plane of Sky - Dungeon

[Elizondo]

Everybody in this thread needs to stop it

Pointless pages of speculation and way over analyzing what are supposed to be simple rules that are easy to follow

[Jimjam]

The real question is whether CSHome is a Dungeon?

[Eisai]

Cshome probably isn't even classic. Bet they have Luclin models and everything.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, no it doesn't. There is no confusion. They have specifically named what is and is not a dungeon. Should be crystal clear.

Yes, yes it does. There is no confusion because they have specifically named what is and is not a dungeon, but the description of what constitutes a dungeon-type zone is nonsensical when PoG and PoF are included. That should be crystal clear.

Explain how either of those two zones are dungeons, based on the description provided in that same link.

[Eisai]

Because they said so? Stop trying to argue with dad. Logic isn't going to win the debate. There is a list. Those zones are on it. Period. End of discussion, young lady.

Also, swarming is not AoE. Swarming is abard tactic. AoE is available to many classes. This should be your point of inquiry/debate.

I believe the tactic killing 25 mobs at once used by raids and even groups will remain.
The issue being addressed is the reckless and selfish few bards who have taken a class defining ability and used it to monopolize an entire zone and when shit goes wrong, instead of dying or capping out they drop the swarm on everyone between them and the zoneline and the most any of them offer in compensation is 96% of the victims' xp back.. Most of the time they were just power leveling guild boxes for dkp anyhow.

Either way, put the ZEM in zones that are actually difficult enough to need a full group and you won't have soloers and parties bumping heads like this. Bards don't swarm caster mobs, derrr.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because they said so? Stop trying to argue with dad. Logic isn't going to win the debate. There is a list. Those zones are on it. Period. End of discussion, young lady.

That would be all well and good, but the whole purpose was to "simplify and clarify the ruleset on P99" because "you shouldn't need an elf-law degree to be able to play here." Only a lawyer would argue that Plane of Fear and Plane of Growth are dungeon type zones.

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, swarming is not AoE. Swarming is abard tactic. AoE is available to many classes. This should be your point of inquiry/debate.

What is swarm kiting?
Swarm kiting (also known as AE kiting, historically) is the act of pulling a large quantity of mobs, kiting them, and utilizing point-blank AoE spells/songs to kill them. Most typically this leveling tactic is used by bards, but could theoretically be completed by other classes, as well.

Nowadays players use the two terms interchangeably, but yeah swarm kiting involves using charm whereas AE kiting simply uses dots and snare/movement speed. Also, yes, because other classes can AE and because the rule includes spells, not just songs, that seems to imply that AE piles in Plane of Fear would be prohibited, but there has been no clarification for what should be simple to understand.

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue being addressed is the reckless and selfish few bards who have taken a class defining ability and used it to monopolize an entire zone and when shit goes wrong, instead of dying or capping out they drop the swarm on everyone between them and the zoneline and the most any of them offer in compensation is 96% of the victims' xp back.. Most of the time they were just power leveling guild boxes for dkp anyhow.

There was a very direct solution for this in classic. Suspend and then ban. Yes, the offending party could make a new account and level another bard, but that's still going to take a while, only to be suspended/banned again. But honestly, where are these groups that are being trained relentless on blue server? Green server, okay, there are probably PUGs to be found outside of KC, but blue is for raiding, farming, and twink alt soloing.

[Eisai]

Only an elf lawyer would bother posting the same question after everyone has reiterated again and again what is obvious.

The zones on the list are now disallowed from swarming (bard dot kiting).
If your raid tactic is to have a bard run in circles twisting dots on a cluster of mobs until they are dead then you are SOL. Try something else. Maybe mage wizard druid and enchanter recruitment will increase.