Swarming in CoM

[zelld52]

Bards will swarm CoM, and say

"It's an outdoor zone you can only camp one mob."

That rule only applies to TRUE outdoor zones with 6:40 spawns. City of Mist is a dungeon, it just so happens to be outdoors.

[zelld52]

I stopped playing p99 because on Green there are a rotating doofus squad of bards that kite nearly the entire back half of the zone (arena, moat, 2nd, 3rd floor) while others are in zone. It causes trains, it causes the groups to run out of mobs to kill - and the GMs dont ever do shit about it.

Countless times, I've seen in /ooc groups complaining about bard swarming. I always tell the players to petition - who knows if they do... But I don't ever see the bards leaving the zone..

[aaezil]

How do you kill that which has no life?

[grims]

Sadly some of the bards in COM can be an absolute nuisance, do not warn the zone when they are starting a swarm / take from area's groups are actively sourcing from.

Some though are the diamond in the rough and will warn when starting a swarm as well as when mobs are returning.

I highly suggest making a /w function binding it to a movement key and watching for these bards. It saved me countless times in my hardcore / permadeath runs in COM and other area's.

I will say I do hope that something is done about bards who intentionally disrupt active groups but I do understand the ones that go in the early morning and want to get that massive xp / warn others.

[onmove_broke]

I do not think it matters if the bard is nice or not. It's just plain stupid to swarm in CoM. There are numbers of other zones to do it. Just make it a limit of 4 mobs like all other AoE. That solves the problem real fast

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by onmove_broke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not think it matters if the bard is nice or not. It's just plain stupid to swarm in CoM. There are numbers of other zones to do it. Just make it a limit of 4 mobs like all other AoE. That solves the problem real fast

You'd think so, but many times I've seen bards gathering 60-70+ mobs in CoM, despite their songs only being able to hit 25.

While other groups are in zone. They just run around and collect literally every mob they can, despite it being 2-3x the max mob count for songs.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'd think so, but many times I've seen bards gathering 60-70+ mobs in CoM, despite their songs only being able to hit 25.

While other groups are in zone. They just run around and collect literally every mob they can, despite it being 2-3x the max mob count for songs.

Yeah, but you don't want one of the mobs to die so you're only hitting 24 mobs. I like to use my time efficiently, which is why I sit in front of a 25 year old computer game for 8 hours at a time watching my electronic action figure run in noisy circles.

[Lorasis]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'd think so, but many times I've seen bards gathering 60-70+ mobs in CoM, despite their songs only being able to hit 25.

While other groups are in zone. They just run around and collect literally every mob they can, despite it being 2-3x the max mob count for songs.

Because as mobs drop off that 25 mob queue you're hitting (which they do, some have lower hp), new mobs rotate in. If you pull 60-70+ mobs, you're guaranteed that the songs will be hitting a full 25 mobs for a while, which increases efficiency.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by onmove_broke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not think it matters if the bard is nice or not. It's just plain stupid to swarm in CoM. There are numbers of other zones to do it. Just make it a limit of 4 mobs like all other AoE. That solves the problem real fast

My personal opinion is that it's stupid to swarm there since it's basically the only dungeon that people group in in that level range on P99. Hard enough to find workable groups as your levels progress (pre-50s of course)...so it's annoying when a Bard does it in the only grouping zone.

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by onmove_broke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not think it matters if the bard is nice or not. It's just plain stupid to swarm in CoM. There are numbers of other zones to do it. Just make it a limit of 4 mobs like all other AoE. That solves the problem real fast

For clarity there are 2 types of AoE spells:

• Targeted AoE spells are like you describe where they can land on up to 4 mobs and the AoE area is based on the target the spell/song lands on
  
• Point Blank AoE (PBAOE) spells/songs land on up to 25 mobs and the AoE area is based on the caster.

PBAoEs are not unique to the bard class, there are several classes that have PBAoE spells and could effectively kill mobs in groups of 25 at a time. Fear clearing comes to mind where groups routinely burn down mobs in groups of 25 in seconds.

People always make the argument they should go to a different zone, there are other places to swarm...well guess what, there are other places to EXP too. The other person could make just as strong of a case of why YOU should be the one to go elsewhere, nobody has more or less right to a zone than someone else.

Any zone you suggest that is the perfect zone for swarming in your mind you could search in this forum and find a thread about how bards shouldn't be able to swarm there and go somewhere else, the reality is people are going to go to the places that they can accomplish what they are trying to most effectively. That makes you and the bard you're angry at no different from each other.

The reality is this is just another of the same thread that repeats itself daily on the forum. A thread about entitlement. A thread about why I should get to have things that you shouldn't. A thread about why you should spend your time doing what I think is best for you, not what you think is best for you. Take it out to the extreme and the same points made in this thread are the same reason that casters shouldn't be allowed to cast spells, that healers shouldn't be allowed to heal, and that melee classes shouldn't be able to engage mobs at melee range. Its all nonsense.

Heres a really crazy idea that actually works! If you don't want other people killing mobs around you then keep all the mobs around you dead. You can't pull stuff that isn't there, you can't kite in an area that there is nothing to kite. Give someone an opportunity and they will take it. If you want to spend your life crying about other people taking advantage of opportunities you give them well then it sucks to suck and life is going to be real hard for you.