Player Agreement: Rule Change at the DS Camp

[berbax]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP your proposal is still missing a "why". All you have in your "Argument for Rule Change" is a list with (essentially) one reason "I couldn't get DS, and a group of organized players could".

But that's a feature, not a bug. Solo people can't hold that camp down, because they can't keep the room clear. You need a group to clear the room and kill DS, so the system does have a list ... its just that you can't get on it simply by showing up (DS is not Scout) ... you have to "earn" the camp (ie. prove you're able to kill DS), by showing up early to it and holding it down until DS spawns.

Sorry but this is vastly wrong, I solo'd the room for 2 hours before doing my first DS kill with a little relief. Likewise Mcreary from GG can solo the entire camp. Lastly you actually cannot get the camp at all right now because Castle has the capability with different timezones to lock it down entirely (which is stated in my post) for 24 hours a day. Please read my post more carefully, also the video shows me doing the DS attempt (and the kill)

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP your proposal is still missing a "why". All you have in your "Argument for Rule Change" is a list with (essentially) one reason "I couldn't get DS, and a group of organized players could".

But that's a feature, not a bug. Solo people can't hold that camp down, because they can't keep the room clear. You need a group to clear the room and kill DS, so the system does have a list ... its just that you can't get on it simply by showing up (DS is not Scout) ... you have to "earn" the camp (ie. prove you're able to kill DS), by showing up early to it and holding it down until DS spawns.

I hate being forced into player interactions on an mmo. It ruins the entire point of it!

[Allishia]

What ya need to do, is like we did in blue. There was a farm group that wouldn't let anyone in and kept ds on lock. They were so greedy, they wouldn't even let their own guildys in it.

Sooo people got together and made a discord to compete for it. It's called URN. They implemented a dkp system and work together spreading urns around to those who put in time.

They also allow anyone to join so it's fair /nod

Worked out great on blue, the greedy farm group people lost and anyone who wants an urn is free to start urning dkp and join the URN /nod

[berbax]

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What ya need to do, is like we did in blue. There was a farm group that wouldn't let anyone in and kept ds on lock. They were so greedy, they wouldn't even let their own guildys in it.

Sooo people got together and made a discord to compete for it. It's called URN. They implemented a dkp system and work together spreading urns around to those who put in time.

They also allow anyone to join so it's fair /nod

Worked out great on blue, the greedy farm group people lost and anyone who wants an urn is free to start urning dkp and join the URN /nod

That sounds great actually, Kingdom has something similar which I can respect

[Mewlio]

The only things that would improve this camp:

1. Actual enforcement of rules by CSR
2. CSR Prescribing a black and white ruleset for ownership of the camp and contestation
3. Clear requests may only be completed by those in game at the camp at the time the request was made
4. Clear requestor(s) at the camp at the time of request are the only ones permitted to perform the first clear in the event of the original holder's failure to clear.
5. Once the room is broken, the camp must be held from inside drusella's room and kept clear to hold the camp (the hall may only be used to break the camp).
6. Charm pets must be killed each cycle if it belongs from one of the spawns at the camp.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by Mewlio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only things that would improve this camp:

1. Actual enforcement of rules by CSR
2. CSR Prescribing a black and white ruleset for ownership of the camp and contestation
3. Clear requests may only be completed by those in game at the camp at the time the request was made
4. Clear requestor(s) at the camp at the time of request are the only ones permitted to perform the first clear in the event of the original holder's failure to clear.
5. Once the room is broken, the camp must be held from inside drusella's room and kept clear to hold the camp (the hall may only be used to break the camp).
6. Charm pets must be killed each cycle if it belongs from one of the spawns at the camp.

This is essentially changing very little with any of the points I raised about the camp.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP your proposal is still missing a "why". All you have in your "Argument for Rule Change" is a list with (essentially) one reason "I couldn't get DS, and a group of organized players could".

But that's a feature, not a bug. Solo people can't hold that camp down, because they can't keep the room clear. You need a group to clear the room and kill DS, so the system does have a list ... its just that you can't get on it simply by showing up (DS is not Scout) ... you have to "earn" the camp (ie. prove you're able to kill DS), by showing up early to it and holding it down until DS spawns.

It's blatantly problematic when guilds monopolize the camp over long periods of time, restricting access of a BIS item and sadly also one of the few BIS items that a non-raider could obtain.

It's not a feature either, it's a flaw that's allowed by current rules and current rules are not classic anyway. They can and have been changed before.

That it needs a group to clear the room and kill DS is no argument either. Verix also needs a group to clear and kill. Verix was only recently was removed from /list and I'm guessing only because there wasn't any need for it anymore.

[baakss]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP your proposal is still missing a "why". All you have in your "Argument for Rule Change" is a list with (essentially) one reason "I couldn't get DS, and a group of organized players could".

But that's a feature, not a bug. Solo people can't hold that camp down, because they can't keep the room clear. You need a group to clear the room and kill DS, so the system does have a list ... its just that you can't get on it simply by showing up (DS is not Scout) ... you have to "earn" the camp (ie. prove you're able to kill DS), by showing up early to it and holding it down until DS spawns.

It's unbelievably easy to train people out of DS, and unbelievably hard to ever have proof that it was you.

Drop mobs on the other side of the painting and they'll parade right through Drusellas camp. Drop an eyeball off the ledge at the zoneline and mobs will parade right through Drusellas camp. You don't even have to get close, and the people camping Drusella have virtually zero chance of catching you do it.

Considering this has happened twice in the last week on blue, maybe that's a good reason.


https://youtu.be/M_KqUCcy_rc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bcI-VT5H_w

[servirus06]

Originally Posted by baakss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's unbelievably easy to train people out of DS, and unbelievably hard to ever have proof that it was you.

Drop mobs on the other side of the painting and they'll parade right through Drusellas camp. Drop an eyeball off the ledge at the zoneline and mobs will parade right through Drusellas camp. You don't even have to get close, and the people camping Drusella have virtually zero chance of catching you do it.

Considering this has happened twice in the last week on blue, maybe that's a good reason.


https://youtu.be/M_KqUCcy_rc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bcI-VT5H_w

sorry to say but with fraps and logs it can be caught and the petiton will go in and you will have a beautiful suspension if not ban if its a repeated offense. you can ask mazeril how his suspension went. for doing exactly what you are saying cant be tracked

[Fingurs]

What Loramin said.