Did they ever? ...

[Namsaknoi]

NTOV trash you need to start casting at 30% health to have few resists then eventually land. <- I meant snare

[loramin]

Just ignore CD288: he likes popping into threads and defending P99's mechanics no matter how unclassic they are (because he never played in classic and thus can't understand why everyone else wants P99 to be classic).

[cd288]

I played plenty in classic and was also CSR. You just don't like that I told you your personal memories don't suffice as evidence and you need to provide actual evidence

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Surpent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With a 1.5 second casting time stun and in a corner it's pretty easy to get stun off as an enchanter. Combine that with 8 second stun and PbAoe mez and it's pretty easy to get bad situations under control.

Imo it’s pretty crazy that encs get to circumvent the max duration on player cast stuns. No comment on whether that is classic or not.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imo it’s pretty crazy that encs get to circumvent the max duration on player cast stuns. No comment on whether that is classic or not.

This is P99: when it comes to Enchanters, classic isn't even a concern.

[Penish]

imagine playing a necbro over an ench

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks were never this tanky either. I know people will be like oMg tHe MoNk miTiGaTioN NeRf cAmE LaTeR!!! I'm not talking about that nerf. I'm talking about during classic. I was a monk main in 1999. I was one of the first high level monks on my entire server.

Enjoyed your post a lot (yes Enchanters are definitely unclassic here) but I can't fully agree with this part if we're talking Velious era. From what I remember, Monks really did become great tanks at that point, and a lot of Monks were mad about how gear-dependent the class became, because before the expansions the whole mantra of the class was you forgo possessions, just needing your fists and simple clothing. My friend had a 60 Monk and Warrior during Velious and found the Monk to be completely better for grouping; no noticeable lack of tanking ability, while doing more DPS and Feign Death pulling.

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a log of mcoy's wizard (Qien?) Getting owned by a green con skelly in 2001. Channeling definitely OP on P99 the is no question

Channeling is OP on p99, but dying to a green con is just bad gameplay. Cast root inbetween attack swings and back up.

Originally Posted by Penish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

imagine playing a necbro over an ench

Necro was super OP in 1999. Lifetaps completely unresistible for a period of time. Being able to kite without DoT's doing reduced damage for a period of time. Their pets attacking faster when given low delay weapons. The pet was able to farm a lot of things on its own, while the Necro literally went to bed, with Feign Death protecting them from any danger.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enjoyed your post a lot (yes Enchanters are definitely unclassic here) but I can't fully agree with this part if we're talking Velious era. From what I remember, Monks really did become great tanks at that point, and a lot of Monks were mad about how gear-dependent the class became, because before the expansions the whole mantra of the class was you forgo possessions, just needing your fists and simple clothing. My friend had a 60 Monk and Warrior during Velious and found the Monk to be completely better for grouping; no noticeable lack of tanking ability, while doing more DPS and Feign Death pulling.

I'm mostly basing this off of pre-kunark experiences with monks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] my friend played a monk and I played a cleric when P99 green first launched. They tanked for like 95% of my groups all the way until level 50, and they weren't a twink. They were legit wearing cloth armor and had no HP rings or anything. I remember being baffled since my monk had way better gear but there's no way I would have been main tanking in Lower Guk or Sol B the way they were despite the fact that their gear was virtually non-existant.

There's other things that I know are inaccurate too. I lived on monky-business and thesafehouse (monk and rogue forums). There's no instance of Rogues ever being able to solo backstab from the front the way they can on P99.

https://thesafehouse.org/forums/foru...ide-to-soloing

This is something I tried to do repeatedly as a kid. I discovered frontal backstabbing in PVP from jousting warriors and monks that I couldn't go toe to toe with. But I never once got it to work on mobs and don't know anyone who did.

Weird thing to complain about though since rogues suck at solo'ing and its almost impossible to find groups. But like... whenever I hear people talk about it like it's classic I'm just like.. aint no way, fam. aint no damn way.

I dont even think anyone would have ever put AA points in chaotic stab if this were the case, lol.

[Fragged]

I think necro pet's poofed when you FDed in 1999. I played a necro on live, and it was one of the first things i noticed on p99.

But yeah like many have said, I might be remembering wrong as well.

I charmed a lot, so might be confusing it with charmed pet. As did my chanter friend just for those that said chanters didn't charm in that era. I would always solo Frenzy and he would solo Magi.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Fragged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think necro pet's poofed when you FDed in 1999. I played a necro on live, and it was one of the first things i noticed on p99.

But yeah like many have said, I might be remembering wrong as well.

I charmed a lot, so might be confusing it with charmed pet. As did my chanter friend just for those that said chanters didn't charm in that era. I would always solo Frenzy and he would solo Magi.

Feign Death never caused a summoned pet to insta-poof. In 2000 they changed it so that a summoned pet would die if you remained in FD for 2 minutes - https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=147403. Something else that's unclassic about p99 is your pet is supposed to get aggro while you are Feigned.

Enchanters charmed back then, but not like they do now. It broke more frequently and was mainly used as a way to throw an NPC into another NPC for a quick fight, not keeping it as a perma pet. Even just for quick fights, Charm was breaking very often if you weren't many levels higher than the NPC. This could be seen across the entire game world when Enchanters were trying to exp on city guards by throwing them into each other: generally they needed to re-cast Charm at least once during that single fight.