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[aussenseiter]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

High end rogues tank better than low end warriors.

Not in EverQuest. Please stay on the topic of EverQuest.

[Infectious]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People who can't position right suck. There's a lot of them and I doubt it's intentional. If you're a person who can't tank so good I'm gonna snap that mob off you with a 100% backstab until the tank can manage it. Rogues, like rangers, are light tanks. High end rogues tank better than low end warriors.

A rogue as a tank? Cecily believing he is something he is not. Funny how this game bleeds into real life sometimes

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Infectious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A rogue as a tank? Cecily believing he is something he is not. Funny how this game bleeds into real life sometimes

lmao

[7thGate]

Rogues can tank fine. Its very rarely optimal because you lose backstab damage. The spread in effectiveness vs. actual tanks widens if you're getting CHeals as your primary healing, because Rogue HP pools suck. But in terms of damage mitigation, Rogues mitigate quite well if geared for AC. Rogue defensive skills are actually slightly superior to a warrior's and they get bonus AC from high AGI that helps offset some of the AC difference through softcap returns.

I've done a bunch of Puppet Show, in various configurations with various people. Here's a list of everyone (EDIT: Actually mostly the last year, I have another log file I forgot about that probably has more) that's taken at least 50 attacks from a Tribunal Puppet that I've logged, with hit rate, avg hit and the corresponding damage taken per attack.

Hit %: 63.2%
Avg Hit: 213
Damage/Attack: 134.5

Hit %: 62.9%
Avg Hit: 210
Damage/Attack: 132.1

Hit %: 69.5%
Avg Hit: 244
Damage/Attack: 169.8

Hit %: 47.2%
Avg Hit: 198
Damage/Attack: 93.5

Hit %: 50.1%
Avg Hit: 184
Damage/Attack: 92.2

Hit %: 53.3%
Avg Hit: 200
Damage/Attack: 106.5

Hit %: 54%
Avg Hit: 211
Damage/Attack: 113.9

What classes do you think these people are?

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogues can tank fine. Its very rarely optimal because you lose backstab damage. The spread in effectiveness vs. actual tanks widens if you're getting CHeals as your primary healing, because Rogue HP pools suck. But in terms of damage mitigation, Rogues mitigate quite well if geared for AC. Rogue defensive skills are actually slightly superior to a warrior's and they get bonus AC from high AGI that helps offset some of the AC difference through softcap returns.

I've done a bunch of Puppet Show, in various configurations with various people. Here's a list of everyone (EDIT: Actually mostly the last year, I have another log file I forgot about that probably has more) that's taken at least 50 attacks from a Tribunal Puppet that I've logged, with hit rate, avg hit and the corresponding damage taken per attack.

Hit %: 63.2%
Avg Hit: 213
Damage/Attack: 134.5

Hit %: 62.9%
Avg Hit: 210
Damage/Attack: 132.1

Hit %: 69.5%
Avg Hit: 244
Damage/Attack: 169.8

Hit %: 47.2%
Avg Hit: 198
Damage/Attack: 93.5

Hit %: 50.1%
Avg Hit: 184
Damage/Attack: 92.2

Hit %: 53.3%
Avg Hit: 200
Damage/Attack: 106.5

Hit %: 54%
Avg Hit: 211
Damage/Attack: 113.9

What classes do you think these people are?

ooo i like this post...curious to see the answers but lets let the guesses fly first

[strongNpretty]

I'd say that in 2024, the reason for the unnecessary agro is specifically the time invested in P99 has people just being too lazy to pay attention. We can provide all kinds of reasons somebody is pulling agro, and some of those might be valid for some folks. But the usual suspect is playing his 10th alt over the last 10 years, and just doesn't have the will to play like a team player anymore. You just assume the tank is twinked and can hold agro no matter the punishment you dish out to the mob.

[ahalls2015]

They could just be new. I know when I started I didn't know much about how agro worked until I kept getting punched in the face as an ENC. Trial by fire learned real quick lol

[aussenseiter]

AC is extremely poor at helping rogues tank in EverQuest.

Focus on AGI 200+

[Cecily]

Sorry you feel that way.

[Duik]

Oh great. The suspense is killing other people.