monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

[Spaerhawk]

Originally Posted by Sizar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't bother spending time getting a Blam stick, shit's terrible

But it's so fun!

[Crede]

Blam stick is hard/annoying to get. And the chest is pretty much permacamped so you rarely will find the halflings up more than 5 minutes at a time. Definitely go with the IFS > TStaff route instead.

[Snaggles]

The blam was better before the triple attack for monks and scaling 2h damage bonus. These days the annoying reality is a Peacebringer or IFS is tough to beat for the effort.

[Snaggles]

It depends on the specific parse. I’ve seen shovel monks beat out Gharns ones though. Some good triple attack rng and you’re off to the races.

IMHO for raiders unless you are laser focused on something make a list of what you would take and what you wouldn’t. Then just see what drops and if you can snag it.

[Degalian]

Originally Posted by deadeyedick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am currently a level 16 human monk I have researched a bit about these questions and having trouble finding answers to these questions there seems to be some debate.

what is the math to understand a weapons delay to damage ratio?

what type of weapon is best in the main hand ?

1. a higher delay higher damage?
2. lower delay lower damage?

what type of weapon is best in the off hand ?

1. a higher delay higher damage?
2. lower delay lower damage?

when does this change to 2hb and then back to 1hb?

thanks

as stated before:

Melee & Tank Weapon Damage Cap
Level Range Weapon DMG Cap
1-9 10
10-19 14
20-29 30
30-39 60
40+ 100

Unless your Offense Skill plus Strength > 200 you will always get Base Damage x 2 with the number in above table being the cap.

The DPS you do is 2 x Damage/Delay

So let's compare Master Wu's Trance Stick (7/18) and Knuckle Duster (14/28)

From Level 1-9 you get 2x7/18 for Wu = 0.777777
From Lavel 1-9 you get 2x10/28 for KD = 0.714
so Wu in Main Hand

From Level 10-19 you get 2x7/18 for Wu = 0.7777
From Lavel 10-19 you get 2x14/28 for KD = 1
so KD in Main Hand

You start getting a Damage Bonus for every 3 Levels after 25 ((Lvl - 25)/3) rounded down for 1h Weapons.

At level 28 you therefore get (2x7+1)/18 for Wu = 0.833
and (2x14+1)/28 for KD = 1.0357

So KD will still be better.

That should be good enough of a calculation to get you through your first 40 levels.
The problem with 2h Weapons is that the Damage Bonus is not known exactly, so calculating it is hard. You would have to look into your chance to double Attack vs. Dualwield+ Double Attack where the Off-Hand has no Damage Bonus. So it's probably a little math deep dive or you just listen to the advice already given here from people who parsed this stuff.

For dual wield the advice is generally lower delay tends to be main hand, because Dmg Bonus get's applied to every swing. So Best Ratio including Damage Bonus. Off Hand you just wan't the best ratio you can get and Delay is irrelevant.

But not always the faster Wepaon in main hand, compare Wu vs KD again at Level 60
(7x2+8)/18 = 1.222 on Wu's
vs (14x2+8)/28 = 1.285 on KD
So KD in Main Hand is still better. Tho people won't be using the trance stick anymore there I guess ;-).

This holds true for as long as Offence + Strength < 200, otherwhise you multiply by (Offence + Strength)/100 instead of x2

[Toxigen]

All OP needs to know is just use a 2 hander. Even if the damage done is remotely similar, the damage you'll take is a lot less due to fewer mob ripostes.

Try to save up for an IFS and use a Wu's or Staff of Battle til then.

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All OP needs to know is just use a 2 hander. Even if the damage done is remotely similar, the damage you'll take is a lot less due to fewer mob ripostes.

Try to save up for an IFS and use a Wu's or Staff of Battle til then.

I 2nd this. Also, less weight, takes up less bag space than 1 handers, pushes raid targets less, which can push the raid target outside of your/other players attack range, and less likely to die when/if you accidentally eat enrage.

[Tnair]

Love all the advice that boils down to "don't experiment, don't explore, don't have fun, here is the formula to make you the same as every other monk. You're welcome." Non-sarcastic question, DOES anyone actually enjoy "gearing by numbers" here? Like just making an checklist of drops from wiki and then afk raiding until you get them? Because of the goal is to rush to endgame BiS... the immediate step after that is stop playing the character, so why not just skip straight to that step and uninstall the game??

[Croco]

Originally Posted by Tnair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Love all the advice that boils down to "don't experiment, don't explore, don't have fun, here is the formula to make you the same as every other monk. You're welcome." Non-sarcastic question, DOES anyone actually enjoy "gearing by numbers" here? Like just making an checklist of drops from wiki and then afk raiding until you get them? Because of the goal is to rush to endgame BiS... the immediate step after that is stop playing the character, so why not just skip straight to that step and uninstall the game??

Sorry friend. All the experimentation and exploration and fun theorycrafting when no one knew anything about the game was done literal decades ago. So you can choose to do what's best or you can just choose to not care and go your own way, but don't be surprised when people bust out 20+ years worth of very specialized knowledge about a game that most of us are extremely addicted to.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Tnair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Love all the advice that boils down to "don't experiment, don't explore, don't have fun, here is the formula to make you the same as every other monk. You're welcome." Non-sarcastic question, DOES anyone actually enjoy "gearing by numbers" here? Like just making an checklist of drops from wiki and then afk raiding until you get them? Because of the goal is to rush to endgame BiS... the immediate step after that is stop playing the character, so why not just skip straight to that step and uninstall the game??

People are just trying to tell the truth. Parsing is something a lot of people do, so we can see the trends in the average damages on different popular weapons.

That being said, you don't have to play in the most efficient way. The goal of the game is to have fun. I still dual wield on my Monk sometimes, because I like the feel of dual wield, and stun procs on Addy Club are cool. Is it more efficient than my IFS? No, but I can still kill the mob I want quickly enough.

But if you know what weapons are best, you can use them in a scenario where people are expecting you to play at your best, like raiding. You can also use them when you need to play at your best, like soloing tough mobs.