Bard Starting Stat Debate Time, You Nerds

[ya.dingus]

Originally Posted by wuanahto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

my 40 cha bard with crusty armor on is doing fine. put your points into stamina at start. end game velious gear will do the rest

On the yellow server, there will be even more enchanters since they can do what you do but better. this happened late blue, all of green. we got like two decades of experience here man

And yet, as time and time again proves, appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.

People still figuring out how to play classic wow better with the knowledge they have now gleaned.

It's the exact same here. The stats and links I have provided fly in the direct face of *conventional wisdom* on these forums.

And I'm going to press that point until someone posts statistics and data that are better than those sources provided.

Otherwise, everything else said here is meaningless boomer ego dribble.

[sajbert]

Never played bard beyond lvl 20 but I'll chip in and since we're having the discussion I take it we're minmaxing for endgame.

Look at a kit of bard BIS gear on your selected race of choice OR your ideal set of gear that you can stomach farming.

- Which stats aren't capped that aren't wisdom and agi?

- Do we wanna be as strong as possible solo self buffed or in a group or raid? What do we wish to achieve in either setting?


Unless you make it clear what the parameters are there's no point in arguing because it's apples and oranges really.

[ya.dingus]

Do any of you have an actual source better than the links and stats I have provided?

Like, do ANY of you have empirical evidence?

It's a simple yes or no.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do any of you have an actual source better than the links and stats I have provided?

Like, do ANY of you have empirical evidence?

It's a simple yes or no.

I mained it for years in, was in a team , Ib, then rampage (fasttimes) then changed mains in velious . Sta/hp is 2nd most important stat to resists. You can believe what you want tho DSM

[ya.dingus]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mained it for years in, was in a team , Ib, then rampage (fasttimes) then changed mains in velious . Sta/hp is 2nd most important stat to resists. You can believe what you want tho DSM

Mained it for years is not evidence. All I hear is "I've made suboptimal characters for nearly two decades, and never bothered questioning if I was wrong in doing so."

Post stats/evidence or get out.

It's literally that simple.

Save that Freudian interest in a random poster's genitals for whatever coom-brained, degenerate, shit subreddit you're used to posting in.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mained it for years is not evidence.

Post stats/evidence or get out.

It's literally that simple.

np DSM, take care

[pink grapefruit]

Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do any of you have an actual source better than the links and stats I have provided?

Like, do ANY of you have empirical evidence?

It's a simple yes or no.

if you want empirical evidence you should be getting in contact with some bards here. should be pretty easy to test the impact of dex and cha. dex is useful, but i don't think it's useful for the reason you want it to be.

i've yet to see any empirical evidence that missed notes or twisting songs results in carpal implosion. and missed notes happen immediately (at the start of a song) and cost no mana. they're a minor annoyance more than something that is super detrimental to a bard's performance.

when you get your epic though you're gonna want all the dex you can get.

[ya.dingus]

Originally Posted by pink grapefruit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you want empirical evidence you should be getting in contact with some bards here. should be pretty easy to test the impact of dex and cha. dex is useful, but i don't think it's useful for the reason you want it to be.

i've yet to see any empirical evidence that missed notes or twisting songs results in carpal implosion. and missed notes happen immediately (at the start of a song) and cost no mana. they're a minor annoyance more than something that is super detrimental to a bard's performance.

when you get your epic though you're gonna want all the dex you can get.

It's the ben franklin saying. Penny saved is a penny earned.

Play a bard over two years, and your button presses will be well over in the tens of thousands for missed notes.

This is literally a case that a minor change in the short term, is a major saving in the long term.


Though as Misty said, still harder to get CHA long term than Dex. So the Min/Max option clearly is dumping points into CHA.

[pink grapefruit]

Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the ben franklin saying. Penny saved is a penny earned.

Play a bard over two years, and your button presses will be well over in the tens of thousands for missed notes.

This is literally a case that a minor change in the short term, is a major saving in the long term.


Though as Misty said, still harder to get CHA long term than Dex. So the Min/Max option clearly is dumping points into CHA.

do you have a history of CTS? i was serious about the wrist implosion thing. to operate under the assumption that bard twisting causes cts is a huge leap in logic for someone requesting empirical evidence concerning game mechanics.

i don't remember the bard communities actually having major complaints about this back in the day, or pretty much ever. it was mostly just a joke or old wive's tale, as far as i know.

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