Agro with the new patch

[magnetaress]

Even really crappy fast weapons like jojos and thulian claws cuz 19 dly was better for agro than basically everything. Outside of like a few special cases.


Like it was a tifecta of speed > dmg > procs (with few outliers except in special cases).

Iirc.

[Karanis]

Can confirm that slow/blind aggro on a 60 shaman is super weak/low now, before, a big slow on a low level mob that was already aggroed onto me would glue them to me until they died to a lowbie's melee hits, now, I can dump multiple slows onto a mob and they'll pull off me with low white hits in a handful of rounds.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can confirm that slow/blind aggro on a 60 shaman is super weak/low now, before, a big slow on a low level mob that was already aggroed onto me would glue them to me until they died to a lowbie's melee hits, now, I can dump multiple slows onto a mob and they'll pull off me with low white hits in a handful of rounds.

Range?

[Karanis]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Range?

You asking about level range or distance? My shaman is 60, the mobs were ranging from 10-20, the players killing the mobs were 10-15 or so. Distance-wise, I was body-pulling the mobs before slowing so any pre-aggro aggro-cap shenanigans weren't at play, slowing multiple times while the mobs were basically on top of me, and then the low level players would pull them off me in under 10 seconds.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You asking about level range or distance? My shaman is 60, the mobs were ranging from 10-20, the players killing the mobs were 10-15 or so. Distance-wise, I was body-pulling the mobs before slowing so any pre-aggro aggro-cap shenanigans weren't at play, slowing multiple times while the mobs were basically on top of me, and then the low level players would pull them off me in under 10 seconds.

Missing the body agro code then. Ok.

[Ooloo]

Okay, so I guess for a war it ultimately isn't a huge difference between "melee wait for procs" and "melee wait for swings" then.

Definitely seems like a bit of an overcorrection with this patch. Like slow is extremely powerful once it lands, so it makes sense for a mob to get very pissed at the slower. Maybe it was too much before, but it definitely should still be up there.

Uthgaard dug up some relevant in-era dev quotes about aggro that seem to cut against these changes, waiting to see if anything comes of that.

[drfuzz]

This sounds like that dark time back 20 years ago on Live servers when the shamans got tired of dying on raids every time they slowed a boss raid mob, and so the devs massively reduced disease based aggro. Suddenly all us SKs didn’t have our snap aggro anymore. That’s why they gave us the crappy aggro spells.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by drfuzz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This sounds like that dark time back 20 years ago on Live servers when the shamans got tired of dying on raids every time they slowed a boss raid mob, and so the devs massively reduced disease based aggro. Suddenly all us SKs didn’t have our snap aggro anymore. That’s why they gave us the crappy aggro spells.

Sham slow isn't disease based though, it's just magic

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sham slow isn't disease based though, it's just magic

20 years would have been 2002 so Plague of Insects/Cloud of Grummus

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

20 years would have been 2002 so Plague of Insects/Cloud of Grummus

2002?? Blasphemer.