The Epics are not Epic!

[roks1]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WTF you talking about?

Enc epic is a living snake staff - a clear reference to Moses channelling god-like power.

The real question, is why the snake staff - a symbol of medicine - isn't the epic for a healer class (like shaman or cleric).

The ankh is a much older symbol of life (the key of life) than the Caduseus, which ench staff does not resemble whatsoever.

What keeps some epics epic (well imagine for a minute you aren't using 100 people on a raid) -- snake sticks and cleric epics and bard mods at least continue to deliver in recovery (mid fight or post wipe). War epic if it's still proccing improperly (600 hate? rofl i wish it was 600 hate back in the day) is a top seller. Druids, necros, nerfed mage epic pets kinda feel short shafted, at least a wizard can use his epic and a manastone to fay gate and regen mana for free, nice free rune with regen. Paladin epic proc is insane aggro but yeah lack luster , SK looks great but that's about where it lies. Monk epic rules for eternity.

Really, primal existing where it does, dropping from what it does is the one real glaring imbalance. Ventani is the only Warder that is properly crafted for what was to be the ultimate end dungeon, sad.

Epics still look sick and made newbs jaws drop when they first saw em and that's really the most epic of all :^) the greatest carrot to the freshest meat.

I wish there were more daggers that look like that one from the Halas rogue guild leader in game, way cooler than tunare's dagger that she borrowed from Ikitiar the venomed.

The end

[Chortles Snortles]

even during live i thought the duck staff was the lamest shit i'd ever seen

[Kohedron]

No, but they're classic

bye.

[Chortles Snortles]

cmon dude ornate runed shield is an exception

[Naethyn]

The reason the word epic is used all over the place today is because the guys who made wow did the epic quests in everquest.

[Kutark Validus]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too Many people here are obsessed with getting their Epic. The epics aren't really that amazing. Despite calling them an Epic Quest, they don't actually make your character "Epic". A Enchanter with/without the Epic is till the most powerful class in the game. The Shaman still 2nd most powerful with/without epic. 3rd for necro and on and on. Epic is just nice little item. No of them really game changers in any form.

You should give us all the hookup on where you get whatever it is you're smoking.

Shaman epic is game changing, Cleric epic changes the entire raiding and server landscape dramatically, Monk epic is effing massive, Rogue epic is the closest you get to BiS without basically NToV level loot. Warrior epics actually enable warriors to generate good threat outside of again, NToV level loot, etc.

Yes many of them fall more into a nice stat stick with QoL enhancements, but to say they're not epic i think is reaching.

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by Kutark Validus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should give us all the hookup on where you get whatever it is you're smoking.

Shaman epic is game changing, Cleric epic changes the entire raiding and server landscape dramatically, Monk epic is effing massive, Rogue epic is the closest you get to BiS without basically NToV level loot. Warrior epics actually enable warriors to generate good threat outside of again, NToV level loot, etc.

Yes many of them fall more into a nice stat stick with QoL enhancements, but to say they're not epic i think is reaching.

Game changing? Is just a dot. A slow 15 dps dot. It's not really that Amazing. Monk, Rogue. You still do damage without an epic. The Epic doesn't double the damage you do, but even that wouldn't be that good. I mean it depends on your previous weapon setup, but at most you're getting maybe 10 - 20% more dps depending on Mob level and AC. Not that great really. Warriors can still generate pretty decent aggro without the Epic. Lots of then do, because it's so hard to get. They do just fine without it though. Small increase in damage does not equal game changing to me.

[mycoolrausch]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Game changing? Is just a dot. A slow 15 dps dot. It's not really that Amazing. Monk, Rogue. You still do damage without an epic. The Epic doesn't double the damage you do, but even that wouldn't be that good. I mean it depends on your previous weapon setup, but at most you're getting maybe 10 - 20% more dps depending on Mob level and AC. Not that great really. Warriors can still generate pretty decent aggro without the Epic. Lots of then do, because it's so hard to get. They do just fine without it though. Small increase in damage does not equal game changing to me.

Rogue epic takes 5 minutes to get and is like 5 items worth of stats in one item. A level 60 rogue putting in equal time to their character as the time it takes to get the epic, but not getting the epic, will be able to farm plat for.... an fbss and an exquisite spear. Too lazy to do the math but probably a raid with 5 epic rogues replaces a raid with 7 of those rogues...at least.... So in that scenario it's like 2 extra rogues for free....

[roks1]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Game changing? Is just a dot. A slow 15 dps dot. It's not really that Amazing. Monk, Rogue. You still do damage without an epic. The Epic doesn't double the damage you do, but even that wouldn't be that good. I mean it depends on your previous weapon setup, but at most you're getting maybe 10 - 20% more dps depending on Mob level and AC. Not that great really. Warriors can still generate pretty decent aggro without the Epic. Lots of then do, because it's so hard to get. They do just fine without it though. Small increase in damage does not equal game changing to me.

At one point during the clusterfuck of the luclin launch, the Shaman epic got a strange accidental change -- the splurt dot became a heal. IT was truly the greatest time to be a shaman until PoTime slow stick but it only lasted a patch or 2. I still remember watching the luclin skeletons attack with this one hand karate chop -- they didn't even have animation for dual wielding, just faster right hand chopping. I miss retarded patching making something awesome temporarily once in a while.

[Toxigen]