New Troll Warrior

[Allishia]

Cha was only for ogres and trolls who have crazy str/sta already. Dex is kinda meh.

I choose dark elf, ofc I wouldn't put anything into cha, all mine went to sta and I'm only 100 base. Ogres and trolls start with way more than that and more str and same or more dex....only stat they are God awful at is cha which makes di chance better. Since they will cap sta easy and definitely cap str np at all.

But yes if I never planned on raiding on an ogre or troll I would put most points into sta then rest dex...since you likely won't cap sta in group gear with base of 118 or whatever troll has.

[Jimjam]

That is true, but it uses a lot of buff slots, and some shaman get grizzly(!) if you ask for double str/dex.

It’s nice to have decent strength when double str focus isn’t available too.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is true, but it uses a lot of buff slots, and some shaman get grizzly(!) if you ask for double str/dex.

It’s nice to have decent strength when double str focus isn’t available too.

STR is easy to get on gear. My Gnome warrior has +80 STR just from normal Velious era EC gear. You can get another 45 from Cobalt Gauntlet/Boot buffs when you don't have STR buffs available. For a troll having +125 STR self buffed is basically capped.

It's only 4 buff slots for FoS, STR, DEX, and STA. In a group you probably aren't maxing out buff slots on a Warrior. Shamans generally are fine with giving all the buffs, they just get annoyed if you don't mention STR or DEX until after they FoS you hehe.

[wagorf]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can cap STR/STA/DEX well before BiS raid gear with buffs. It will just depend on how much you like to group. A level 60 Shaman can buff your STR and DEX by 120 each, and STA by 50.

Of course shm buff will cap it......the OP is just starting a new war and you expect lvl 60 shm to be around 24/7 lol.

Can the op even get to HoT armor + best non-raid items? If not, then put points in dex + sta.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by wagorf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course shm buff will cap it......the OP is just starting a new war and you expect lvl 60 shm to be around 24/7 lol.

Can the op even get to HoT armor + best non-raid items? If not, then put points in dex + sta.

The point of thinking about starting stats IS thinking about the end game. Stats scale with level, so they get better when you... level. He isn't going to notice any difference for the first 30 levels or so.

[Jimjam]

Reckless strength is a decaying buff and I don’t remember it stacking. Is there a trick? Short duration too. May not even last a single sonic bat!

You’re projecting. Many shaman are unaware of, or simply refuse, to double buff. It’s not a case of carelessly asking after the fact.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reckless strength is a decaying buff and I don’t remember it stacking. Is there a trick? Short duration too. May not even last a single sonic bat!

You’re projecting. Many shaman are unaware of, or simply refuse, to double buff. It’s not a case of carelessly asking after the fact.

Then those are bad Shamams. I've never denied people myself, or seen a Shaman deny someone.

The decaying buff stacks, it's like Yaulp. You can click it again to refresh it if needed. Its only 20 STR, so if you don't want to use it you still have 105STR from my example.

[Jimjam]

You used this combo on your gnome recently?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You used this combo on your gnome recently?

I had a Troll Warrior on live from 1999-2005 or so. They stacked. I also have used Yaulp + a Strength buff on my 24 Cleric on P99. I would be highly surprised if they didn't stack on P99. But I am sure a high level Warrior can chime in if I am wrong.

Let's assume worse case though and say they don't. 105 Strength is still a lot of Strength, +80 from equipment and +25 Strength from the Cobalt Boots buff. Just having FoS would put a Troll at 255.

[Jimjam]

I remember trying to use the combo years ago, but then getting rid of it.. I can't remember if it was just disappointment /lack of bag space or it not stacking. That is why I ask.

Strength of the Kunzar and Reckless Strength are both slot 1, so that also made me think maybe they didn't stack, rather than reckless strength just being annoying to use.