Should I Make a Human, Dark Elf or Gnome for Cleric?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I have never seen a cleric use the snare clickie in a group, and I have multiple videos showing how it really isn't a great item on my Youtube channel. You can have your opinion that it's a great item, but it's not as good as you think. The snare has a low speed reduction, and a short duration. You will do better just medding a tick and casting root, it's only 30 mana.

Tinkering is better than clickies if you never plan on using the clickies. Something is better than nothing, unless you already have a Tinkerer.

I have a Human Innoruuk Cleric and I enjoy it immensely. I never discouraged people from doing it.

Finally, stat-wise both humans and gnomes have low starting stats. It isn't like we are looking at the difference between a Gnome Warrior and an Ogre Warrior. So it isn't a good argument to make, as the difference is easy to make up for.

[Stonewallx39]

I like the lore of the human inny clerics. However I was dissatisfied with how accepted I was everywhere! I wanted to be evil and do evil things and be feared and…. Friggen tree huggers in surefall glade we’re non-kos. Not cool devs… not cool.

That being said a rational player would consider not worrying about faction as much a benefit. It’s your journey!

[Whittaker]

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I was dissatisfied with how accepted I was everywhere! I wanted to be evil and do evil things and be feared and…

Kinda fucked up that the best guards for me to kill are in Paineel. RIP my boney homies.

[Jimjam]

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Kinda fucked up that the best guards for me to kill are in Paineel. RIP my boney homies.

Think of it like ethical hacking - you are testing the defences in preparation of a real attack. The skeletons will be easily restored after they are defeated.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have never seen a cleric use the snare clickie in a group, and I have multiple videos showing how it really isn't a great item on my Youtube channel. You can have your opinion that it's a great item, but it's not as good as you think. The snare has a low speed reduction, and a short duration. You will do better just medding a tick and casting root, it's only 30 mana.

Not once seeing ogre stun immunity EVER do anything to help never stop you from singing its praise it like it's ambrosia. I hope you are not so ignorant of basics of the game to understand that snaring a mob at low life can save a healer around 20% mana and in grouing situations cleric's mana is often the groups main bottleneck, which could translate directly to 20% faster kill/loot/exp efficiency. Sounds pretty good to me.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Finally, stat-wise both humans and gnomes have low starting stats. It isn't like we are looking at the difference between a Gnome Warrior and an Ogre Warrior. So it isn't a good argument to make, as the difference is easy to make up for.

Not really a particularly good comprision given that cleric gear rarely has charisma or str on it while warrior gear is overflowing with str/stam. And a warrior isnt taking off all their stam gear off to boost a different part of their kit, such in the case lulling. I have looked at the bumbers but im sure its in the 50-60 points of relevant stats you ose out on versus humans. Thats a lot of fucing stats from my reckoning, but you do you. Enjoy the tinkering.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not once seeing ogre stun immunity EVER do anything to help never stop you from singing its praise it like it's ambrosia. I hope you are not so ignorant of basics of the game to understand that snaring a mob at low life can save a healer around 20% mana and in grouing situations cleric's mana is often the groups main bottleneck, which could translate directly to 20% faster kill/loot/exp efficiency. Sounds pretty good to me.

I have videos showing FSI working. It isn't my fault you don't watch them hehe. I have ho idea where you are getting this 20% mana stat from. Root costs 30 mana, and snare neck takes 6 seconds to cast. That 6 second cast is wasting the 20 mana you could have medded, which is most of the cost of a root. Your group has bigger efficiency problems if your Cleric is the primary CC in the group.

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not really a particularly good comprision given that cleric gear rarely has charisma or str on it while warrior gear is overflowing with str/stam. And a warrior isnt taking off all their stam gear off to boost a different part of their kit, such in the case lulling. I have looked at the bumbers but im sure its in the 50-60 points of relevant stats you ose out on versus humans. Thats a lot of fucing stats from my reckoning, but you do you. Enjoy the tinkering.

It's very easy to get STR and CHA gear if you are having problems with either. The difference is 15 less CHA and 15 less STR between Gnome and Human Clerics. This really isn't a difficult gap to fill.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have videos showing FSI working. It isn't my fault you don't watch them hehe. I have ho idea where you are getting this 20% mana stat from. Root costs 30 mana, and snare neck takes 6 seconds to cast. That 6 second cast is wasting the 20 mana you could have medded, which is most of the cost of a root. Your group has bigger efficiency problems if your Cleric is the primary CC in the group.

So you REAlLY are this igorant of the basics of EQ? snared mobs at low health don't fight back at all. Hello? EQ basics 101?

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's very easy to get STR and CHA gear if you are having problems with either. The difference is 15 less CHA and 15 less STR between Gnome and Human Clerics. This really isn't a difficult gap to fill.

15 str
5 sta
8 wis
15 cha

thats about 1.5 additional BIS items for non raiding cleric.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you REAlLY are this igorant of the basics of EQ? snared mobs at low health don't fight back at all. Hello? EQ basics 101?

Of course I know that. The problem is for some reason you think:

A) The snare clickie is good for this kind of thing, even though the snare and cast time is really bad.
B) We are talking about Clerics having the snare neck, so you are assuming the Cleric is the one doing the CCing for the group. And you are talking about efficiency at the same time? You do know a Cleric will not be medding while they are doing all this CCing? So all the mana you are "saving" on not healing is instead going into the Cleric CCing and not medding lol.

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15 str
5 sta
18 wis
15 cha

thats close to 2 additional BIS items for non raiding cleric.

It's still not worth caring about. Sorry.

[Troxx]

I have the snare neck on my Troll Shaman. It has come handy numerous times even at higher end camps like fungi king in seb where a runner can mean a wipe.

It’s not the best snare. It frankly sucks with a short duration and lower percentage movement speed debuff … but it gives certain classes a whole new unique mechanic/skill that it otherwise wouldn’t have. It can, in some instances, change how you play entirely.

The snare will stop a runner from running.

Any item or racial perk that gives a class something it wouldn’t otherwise have is powerful.

Best racial skill perk? Sneak on halfling.
Best diety based? I’d argue snare neck.

Most important racial decider for a cleric? Liking what you look like.

In the end it’s all fashionquest.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have the snare neck on my Troll Shaman. It has come handy numerous times even at higher end camps like fungi king in seb where a runner can mean a wipe.

It’s not the best snare. It frankly sucks with a short duration and lower percentage movement speed debuff … but it gives certain classes a whole new unique mechanic/skill that it otherwise wouldn’t have. It can, in some instances, change how you play entirely.

The snare will stop a runner from running.

Any item or racial perk that gives a class something it wouldn’t otherwise have is powerful.

Best racial skill perk? Sneak on halfling.
Best diety based? I’d argue snare neck.

Most important racial decider for a cleric? Liking what you look like.

In the end it’s all fashionquest.

I have multiple videos on my youtube channel disproving the need for snare neck on a Shaman. Just use root when you want to stop a runner. It has a faster cast, and same chance of resist. There are very few cases where you would actually need snare to accomplish anything, and in those cases it is easy enough to get a few https://wiki.project1999.com/Ball_of_Burlap_Yarn .

It's an item that's nice to have, but I have yet to find one instance where it was necessary or gameplay changing. Sadly it just isn't good enough to actually help out in any considerable way.

As I said before, Human Innoruuk Cleric is great. I have all the clickies and enjoy it immensely. But if you don't want to get the clickies (because they aren't really necessary for anything), then Tinkering would be better if you don't already have a Tinkerer, when discussing Human vs. Gnome vs. Dark Elf.

The only thing the clickies really open up are some solo possibilities because the fear and snare work on living mobs.