Shaman spell cost

[greenspectre]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Z's regularly doing even the easier WW dragons, solo, within the span of a single malo cast (what is that, 12 or 13 minutes?) I want to see because I don't know of any solo'ers who can regularly kill them so quickly. As a duo the wife and I can usually kill them within a slow duration, but adding a second person usually more than doubles killspeed on those since much of the first person's damage dealt is going to countering their regeneration.

As for Pox vs. Bane, mostly I'd advise someone looking to buy 'em to buy whichever one he happens to find for sale first since it can be spotty at times finding a seller. While they're distinct spells, I consider their overall impact pretty close to each other and I think of them mostly as a pair.

Danth

As long as you're doing the 4-neck dragons, Getting em dead with just Pox, Epic, and pet DPS is pretty reasonable within one Malo cast. Though I go Malo, Slow, then Malosini right after just for the added resist debuff.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by greenspectre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As long as you're doing the 4-neck dragons, Getting em dead with just Pox, Epic, and pet DPS is pretty reasonable within one Malo cast. Though I go Malo, Slow, then Malosini right after just for the added resist debuff.

The reason why I Malo again at 50% Dragon health is simply because sometimes it takes me a while to pull the dragon from their position to the kill spot. This is especially true with a dragon like Bravatar. I always Malo when starting the pull, so Malo is burning while I am attempting to Slow and pull the mob back to the kill spot.

I made this second Malo a habit, even for easier to pull Dragons like Hechaeva, because it doesn't affect my kill speed, and guarantees Malo throughout the fight. A long pull + unlucky resists can lead to the fight taking long enough for Malo to wear off.

Not all WW Dragon fights go quite as smoothly as my posted videos. Sometimes a WW dragon will resist Pox 3x times in a row lol. That is a lot of mana to recover.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by greenspectre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As long as you're doing the 4-neck dragons, Getting em dead with just Pox, Epic, and pet DPS is pretty reasonable within one Malo cast. Though I go Malo, Slow, then Malosini right after just for the added resist debuff.

Interesting. Yeah obviously we all mean 4's, nobody's solo'ing a 6'er all that quickly. Pet must make the difference for that; the folks I know (myself included when I've done 'em) don't bother using the pet on those. Does this assume use of the water pseudo-sploit to cheeze the AE's? Obviously eliminating Ae damage would save more mana and time for offensive action. be interesting to see the fastest practical speed for a shaman to solo one of the 4's.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not all WW Dragon fights go quite as smoothly as my posted videos. Sometimes a WW dragon will resist Pox 3x times in a row lol. That is a lot of mana to recover.

This is true too, RNG will RNG. Even in a duo, sometimes we get through one without me needing any outside heals, sometimes I might need one, sometimes RNG frowns on us and I might need a few torpors.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting. Yeah obviously we all mean 4's, nobody's solo'ing a 6'er all that quickly. Pet must make the difference for that; the folks I know (myself included when I've done 'em) don't bother using the pet on those. Does this assume use of the water pseudo-sploit to cheeze the AE's? Obviously eliminating Ae damage would save more mana and time for offensive action. be interesting to see the fastest practical speed for a shaman to solo one of the 4's.

When soloing the pet is very good for WW Dragons. The pet basically does just enough damage to mostly stop it's regen, so your Pox + Epic DoT can just tick down the Dragon. I don't even haste my pet for the first 80% of it's health bar, because that causes the pet to push the dragon out of the water faster, and thus increases the chance of getting AoE'ed.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did a video using your "expert" strategy of using Bane and Pox in a WW Dragon fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD-PCJ4tCII

Yet again showing what a bad player you are. YOUR PET ISN'T EVEN UP WHEN YOU START THE FIGHT, YOU CAST IT MID-COMBAT. Absolutely atrocious. You also don't properly position the pet to always attack from behind.

You aren't using the max resist debuff, you still don't keep Torpor up properly throughout the entire fight (and at times you actually overwrite it too quickly now), and you don't maintain the DoT's properly.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet again showing what a bad player you are. YOUR PET ISN'T EVEN UP WHEN YOU START THE FIGHT, YOU CAST IT MID-COMBAT. Absolutely atrocious. You also don't properly position the pet to always attack from behind.

You aren't using the max resist debuff, you still don't keep Torpor up properly throughout the entire fight (and at times you actually overwrite it too quickly now), and you don't maintain the DoT's properly.

Again, such a bad take that shows nothing but a lack of knowledge. I am KoS to Dragons, so I need to be invis when setting up pulls. Since you seem to know so little about Everquest, you probably don't know that you cannot have a pet up while invis.

I guess you also don't know about the water trick lol, or push mechanics. You don't want your pet attacking from behind, because it pushes the dragon out of the water. Keeping the dragon in the water stops the dragon from AoEing you.

I don't need to waste mana casting the better debuff, the resist rate with Malo is low enough. You can get bad resist strings even with Malosini.

You have no evidence to back up how you think Torporing works, or mana management on a Shaman.

I have videos disproving your terrible takes. You just keep digging a bigger hole for yourself. You claim to be some kind of power gamer, but you are honestly just a silly noob. It's ok to admit you are a noob. Then you can learn how to play[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Yuuvy The Destroyer]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess you also don't know about the water trick lol, or push mechanics. You don't want your pet attacking from behind, because it pushes the dragon out of the water. Keeping the dragon in the water stops the dragon from AoEing you.

The guy plays on red, we aren't allowed to cheese mobs in the water there.
For a guy who bills himself as a top tier player you are showing some very average gameplay. I'm not sure if you are either distracted or playing with one hand, you are a clicker. Learn to use alt1-8 and it will improve your gameplay.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Yuuvy The Destroyer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guy plays on red, we aren't allowed to cheese mobs in the water there.
For a guy who bills himself as a top tier player you are showing some very average gameplay. I'm not sure if you are either distracted or playing with one hand, you are a clicker. Learn to use alt1-8 and it will improve your gameplay.

I never billed myself as a top tier player.

The point of my videos has never been to show top tier "1337" gaming. I am being lazy, and not even using Gina lol. The point of these videos is to show players how the game works. Most people do not have Torpor Shamans, so it can be difficult to imagine how they work just by reading text blocks. I can tell you though that even if I went super hard, I wouldn't save much time on a WW Dragon fight. Since the fights take so long, saving a minute or maybe two isn't going to increase my kills per hour, unless I am playing like 10 hours in a day (which I do not). If you can kill 3 Dragons an hour due to each one taking 20 minutes, you are still only killing 3 per hour if you reduce the time to 18 minutes per kill. Even playing 2 hours straight you would still only average 6 kills. I usually do not spend more than 2 hours a day killing WW dragons.

So I see no point in going that hard, because it's a lot of extra effort for zero reward. If you can show a video of yourself doing WW Dragons considerably faster, I would love to see it so I can learn.

However, I am not sure why you think my videos show "average" gamplay. It is easy to criticize, but you need to show what you think is "above average". Otherwise it is just all talk. We need something to compare my playstyle to. I think a lot of people watching these videos don't realize things have cooldowns, spells fizzle, and your spells can be interrupted. Watching often feels slower because you aren't feeling the fact that pressing buttons don't always yield the desired updates such as the spell being cast. This isn't a twitch game by any means lol.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, such a bad take that shows nothing but a lack of knowledge. I am KoS to Dragons, so I need to be invis when setting up pulls.

You do not need to be invis when setting up pull just because you're KOS. This shows your own lack of understanding, yet again.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess you also don't know about the water trick lol, or push mechanics. You don't want your pet attacking from behind, because it pushes the dragon out of the water. Keeping the dragon in the water stops the dragon from AoEing you.

The dragon stays in the water. You just need to position properly. Which you fail to do.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't need to waste mana casting the better debuff, the resist rate with Malo is low enough.

You are losing mana on average if you don't use the better debuff. And LOL @ "wasting mana" in the first place when Malosini costs 200, and lasts longer, compared to Malo costing 350. No surprise about you failing to understand math though.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do not need to be invis when setting up pull just because you're KOS. This shows your own lack of understanding, yet again.



The dragon stays in the water. You just need to position properly. Which you fail to do.



You are losing mana on average if you don't use the better debuff. And LOL @ "wasting mana" in the first place when Malosini costs 200, and lasts longer, compared to Malo costing 350. No surprise about you failing to understand math though.

Yes, you do need to be invis because if you get agro from another mob en route to the Dragon you lose a lot of time either killing it or gating. You can't see every angle but mobs can still agro you. But you wouldn't know this.

Pushing moves the dragon, but you don't know about piush mechanics. I am positioning my pet correctly.

Again, you havent done Ww Dragons clearly, so you have no valid opinion about efficency. I have tried both ways (Malo and Malosini), while you have clearly done neither.

Please stop saying nonsense and trying to confuse people.