Cleric race?

[Tunabros]

evil human

thank me later when you get a PD robe and realize you look way more badass than

all the dwarves and elves

[Immok]

Evil Human is fun.

Brell Gnome can wear Dwarven cultural armor (enchanted imbued) and use summon beer neck.

[Pillow Armadillo]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fashion and roleplay-purposes aside I feel like there are only four meaningful race/diety combos.


Gnome
+ Wallhack
+ Can wear robe

Personally I don’t care abour raid minmax and I wanna be able to lull/pacify.

But how important is sneak, maybe I could get away with a Halfling if I were to max cha? When are fear and snare clickies really used? Halflings can sort of wallhack too, in fact most races can. Faction doesn’t matter much when you can sneak.

Halfling > All? Or should I go hooman!?

Chiming in on the lesser-played gnome option, but if you can get your hands on a set of cultural armor (Clockwork Watchman armor), gnome cleric can use the following clickies at level 20:

Battery Vision (see invis)
Invisibility Cloak (self-only invis)
Steam Overload (strength buff)
Grease Injection (SoW)
Mystic Precision (agility buff)

There's a summon wrench on the bracer and a short 40% haste somewhere else, but the set also has Velious plate graphics so that's cool.

Tinkering clerics >> everything else. Downside are the low strength stats, but the race/class combo checks all the other boxes for me.

[Blingy]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dwarf
+ Good stats for raiding
+ Barrel roll

Personally I don’t care abour raid minmax and I wanna be able to lull/pacify.

Unless you put 25 of your starting points into charisma (the rest to agility) and carry around a fair amount of charisma gear you will have a very difficult time using lull/pacify.

[oldschoolguy]

dwarf man

best racial imbued armor
best stats
barrel roll
good faction, only one who can sell in icewell

all clickies are useless for every race, they won’t affect much. really just play for looks, all other shit is trivial and can be fixed with gear and such.

only truly unique thing is sneak for halflings. thats not possible to get in other races. lull pacify will suck on all races. i have 255 charisma on chanter and i avoid using those spells due to crit resists. no cleric will be near that charisma cap.

[Gustoo]

I guess I need to do some tests with various charismas to see how stupid it is to worry about that stat on a cleric.

I didn't try to deep dungeon crawl while depending on lull but I didn't get too many critical resists anyways.

Same question applies to paladin race choice. And even if you choose a dwarf paladin, do you put all points into charisma or do you just ignore it.

[oldschoolguy]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess I need to do some tests with various charismas to see how stupid it is to worry about that stat on a cleric.

I didn't try to deep dungeon crawl while depending on lull but I didn't get too many critical resists anyways.

Same question applies to paladin race choice. And even if you choose a dwarf paladin, do you put all points into charisma or do you just ignore it.

ignore it. put points into wisdom.

charisma will make little difference, level gap will be most.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess I need to do some tests with various charismas to see how stupid it is to worry about that stat on a cleric.

I didn't try to deep dungeon crawl while depending on lull but I didn't get too many critical resists anyways.

Same question applies to paladin race choice. And even if you choose a dwarf paladin, do you put all points into charisma or do you just ignore it.

Cha is huge for crit lull failures. I think this guy's test mostly match my experience; https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=327383 he posts some more data within the thread.

On my dwarf with 45 cha I was sometimes feeling like it might be better to root split than to lull split. But with 255 cha on my enchanter it's amazing. My guess is 120 cha is probably plenty for making it a good tool when the cost of a crit is just root parking an extra xp mob, but you want all the cha you can get if the cost of a crit is high.

As far as points though it's less clear to me. There are some big +cha pieces you can swap in and lulling isn't always relevant.

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cha is huge for crit lull failures. I think this guy's test mostly match my experience; https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=327383 he posts some more data within the thread.

On my dwarf with 45 cha I was sometimes feeling like it might be better to root split than to lull split. But with 255 cha on my enchanter it's amazing. My guess is 120 cha is probably plenty for making it a good tool when the cost of a crit is just root parking an extra xp mob, but you want all the cha you can get if the cost of a crit is high.

As far as points though it's less clear to me. There are some big +cha pieces you can swap in and lulling isn't always relevant.

Kobald crown + crude Stein swap in makes a huge difference for calms.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cha is huge for crit lull failures. I think this guy's test mostly match my experience; https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=327383 he posts some more data within the thread.

On my dwarf with 45 cha I was sometimes feeling like it might be better to root split than to lull split. But with 255 cha on my enchanter it's amazing. My guess is 120 cha is probably plenty for making it a good tool when the cost of a crit is just root parking an extra xp mob, but you want all the cha you can get if the cost of a crit is high.

As far as points though it's less clear to me. There are some big +cha pieces you can swap in and lulling isn't always relevant.

Thanks, yeah.

I think to see the difference between 45cha and say 90cha might be what I'm looking at. Still really low but one is extremely low. And maybe charisma is like agility and if you're 75+ you're in the sweet spot.