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11-23-2021, 07:22 PM
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It was not my intention to revive the closed thread.
Gun Control thread would make sense I guess for off topic flamewar. As others have stated, disarming the populace is not a practical solution and I don't think it is an ethical solution. In a theoretical all guns are illegal place, criminals keep their guns. The people that most need guns as an equalizer, women are then left with little defense against any 300lb man with ill intentions. A gun or the possibility of a gun corrects that problem. I'm not a huge fan (only because I don't listen, I don't have a strong opinion on him) but the Joe Rogan quote “This country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem, and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem.” is very apt. Rittenhouse thing was a pickle of a case, but he was given self defense because there is footage of him running away from the first person he shot dead, and then extremely clear footage of the second person he shot dead and the person he shot who lived. Everyone in the area was guilty of any kind of "instigation" because the place as a danger zone and anyone being strictly rational would not be there. There is sad footage of him trying to go back to his sort of "home base" by the gas station or whatever where he got water bottles from cops, but after he had left they tell him "don't come over here" like they had for some reason decided no one is allowed to approach anymore, something I'm sure he wasn't aware of when he walked off and was subsequently called out as "one of those guys telling people to get off cars" Everyone trying to extrapolate what the verdict in his case means for all other future cases are just being silly. Every case will be on a case by case basis with all variables considered. The other case people are saying "well now she has to get off!" is simply being pushed to the front of the news to make people mad at eachother. Everyone with a brain knows the cases are totally different. The lady killed an underage sex trafficker but not in defense of her immediate peril so her case is not the same. I would hope that she gets off scott free despite the differences in the case. And then the people saying "well now WE'RE going to have guns!!" I think that is an appropriate response. You should have guns. The consequences of being an idiot with a gun are very dire but I think if you are too stupid to be trusted with a gun you shouldn't be able to have a drivers license and probably should be being treated for whatever ails you. The 2nd ammendment says that people are allowed to have guns. I think that anyone who is legal to walk on the streets and walk past me better be legally allowed to have guns because if they can't be trusted with that then they shouldn't be on the streets. I don't see how a person can go to prison, serve their sentence and then return to society as a lifetime second class citizen with no 2nd amendment. Obviously ridiculous + it doesn't protect anyone from the violence of that person, since its very easy to acquire guns illegally. So what is the point of making a second class citizen? But remember that Rittenhouses entire life was almost destroyed as a result of his choice to carry a gun in that particular fashion in that particular place. His situation could have resulted in him getting beaten to death with a skateboard or foot, or he could have been found guilty of murder. All situations are less likely to have happened if he was more wisely using his 2nd ammendment rights. I don't know how the 17 year old weapon wielding is legal in that state or whatever they decided in this case. I'm just pretending he was 18 and other laws were abided by which would be the situation with future protestors. It's a tough thing but either you want to live in an authoritarian state and think somehow that won't be absolute shit (look what our government has done in the past to anyone they could step on??) or you want to build a society where people are human beings to eachother. I promise that the people that serve to gain by your disarmament are not you and your neighbors, it is indeed your overlords and perhaps even their criminal friends. So please consider fully the consequences of 2nd amendment right restrictions taken to their logical conclusions. You might remember that 2nd amendment rights were first shit on by NRA republicans when Black Panthers started carrying weapons in shit eating places like the California state capital. Lots of laws were passed and supported by a bunch of dumb dumbs that made all sorts of new crimes for carrying firearms and these went through mostly because people pretty much were happy to see them applied to their enemies (black panthers) the classic idiot choice of hurting yourself and your posterity to further your desire to damage whoever you decide are your enemies. So try to be wise when playing real life PVP. I wouldn't hang out at the DL druid rings on rallos zek with a fungi equipped at 20hp with no friends and I wouldn't go to a protest where cops are rolling around in armored cars and things are being destroyed and lit on fire while open carrying a rifle. Thats dumb and ruins + ends lives. But sometimes things like that are worth the risk for people with passion. The protestors thought it was important to protest, and the anti protestors thought it was important that they stop property damage from happening. The lines there are not clear either because the private property owners end up fucked for the value of stuff, but then if they defend it they end up fucked for defending it. The cops are there because it is their paying job and all of them want to come home alive and not be featured on the news in a physical altercation. Both sides on that fateful day should have been banding together to protest lots of other corruption in our society but instead they were pitted against each other to no gain at all. RIP dead guys RIP person who died that the protest was actually about RIP Kyle Rittenhouses current name and non bearded face. He's going to the gym today and getting shredded and thin and going blond and no one will know it's him. He won't be seen in public for 5 years. Long live freedom I hope. Freedom to make choices, and to live with them.
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11-23-2021, 07:29 PM
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If it's illegal to possess a gun, only lawbreakers will possess a gun.
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11-23-2021, 07:30 PM
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I'm ok with absolutely zero gun laws if I get to defend myself from stupid people without the scrutiny of this oppressive and dystopian police state putting me under a microscope and social media trials.
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11-23-2021, 07:34 PM
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I’m all for no guns, because then we get back to the cave man days of might makes right. And I currently have an advantage in that area. Take away guns and force everyone to engage in physical combat and I instantly become less likely to be chosen as a victim
As I get older and more frail tho then I’m gonna regret no guns…. | ||
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11-23-2021, 07:43 PM
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11-23-2021, 07:47 PM
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Ya. You also can't stop people from smuggling, stealing or making them. Or IEDs. Fat lot gun laws do in shit tier countries or after a collapse or when those government rent cops swarm with tasers and lobotomize your free thinking ass.
At least this way they can't make it easier on their conscience. They have to kill us if we are armed. Take that away and it's even easier and more bloodless and less messy to disappear people in a psych ward. | ||
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