What's the point of playing on a permanently 'classic' server and how is P99 classic?

[eqravenprince]

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ones who played from day one and got the prenerf stuff have a permanent advantage over everybody who arrives after them so P99 permanently favours those who arrived first. If you arrived later you will never have the same opportunity as they did so you will always be inferior no matter what you do which is really bad game design.

Agreed. Kind of exciting when the server starts over though.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Races are permanently unbalanced.

Would you really want them balanced? I like the differences, all have pros and cons. Personally I can't stand Iksar.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classes are permanently unbalanced.

Again, would you really want them balanced? Something for every player out there, some like to solo, some like to group, etc.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All the best spots are perma camped because it's such a small crowded place.

This is one thing I find kind of annoying, I wish there was instancing sometimes.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There will never be a sci-fi aspect like there is in Luclin.

If I wanted a sci-fi game, I'd play a sci-fi game. EQ just doesn't belong in sci-fi in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There will never be Beastlords.

While I liked beastlords, it's no big deal.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iksar have a permanent advantage over all other races (more bad game design) due to lack of regen items.

But you have to overcome being hated by every race and 20% exp penalty to get said advantage. I think it's a wash.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogres have a permanent advantage over all other races (more bad game design) due to lack of AA abilities.

Yes and they have to deal with ducking to get through small doors, hated around the world, and 15% exp penalty. It's a wash.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's an unnofficial emulated server; it's not the real thing.

It's pretty damn close to what I remember the real thing being.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There will never be an official, professional and honest game designer to step in and fix the broken things so that it's fair for all regardless of when you start playing or what race you play.

I think they fix things that are broken just fine.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is P99 classic? There are two expansions; how is that classic?

I do love classic EQ before any expansions, it's my favorite. However, most people consider the trilogy as classic.

Originally Posted by Elfminster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At least on live you can be just like everybody else, with enough time and effort, so even if you arrive late to the party you're not stuck in inferior mode like you are on P99 and you're not forced to pick a certain race or side because of balance issues (whether they are real or perceived).

Do you enjoy playing a in a permanently broken world? I guess if you are at the top of the pyramid because you arrived first and took advantage of bad game design which was later fixed (but not retroactively) then the answer is YES.

It's lovely to see people in newbies areas but I don't think they realise that they are just there to serve the people who arrived first.

Stick around for Green 2.0 if that is truly important to you.

[Bardp1999]

Sounds like World of Warcraft is calling you friend - good luck in Azeroth.

There is enough content on P99 to keep you busy for like 10 years if you really wanted to muddle through every class. And it sounds like you have never played P99 if you think the racial traits and legacy items give people any sort of meaningful advantage (they dont). The great thing about P99 is you can play casually and the bar doesn't keep getting moved (IE you come back after a break and a new expansion hasn't rendered all your gains moot).

It is what it is, classic EQ with none of the modern QoL changes. It may not be perfect but its the closest thing to how I remember Everquest being as a youth.

[tadkins]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would you really want them balanced? I like the differences, all have pros and cons. Personally I can't stand Iksar.

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And it sounds like you have never played P99 if you think the racial traits and legacy items give people any sort of meaningful advantage (they dont).

Eh bit debatable here. Iksar necromancers do have a blatant advantage over other the other necro races, to the point where it kind of ruins the class for me because I feel like I would have to be an iksar. As cool as I think dark elf necromancers are, and I do know that one can succeed just fine as a dark elf or a human if they wanted, it's hard to ignore the advantage an iksar has, even moreso when you've got folks telling you all the time "why aren't you iksar?" or "quick go reroll iksar!". Yes that has happened to me before.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by tadkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh bit debatable here. Iksar necromancers do have a blatant advantage over other the other necro races, to the point where it kind of ruins the class for me because I feel like I would have to be an iksar. As cool as I think dark elf necromancers are, and I do know that one can succeed just fine as a dark elf or a human if they wanted, it's hard to ignore the advantage an iksar has, even moreso when you've got folks telling you all the time "why aren't you iksar?" or "quick go reroll iksar!". Yes that has happened to me before.

I have to agree with this. The variety of classic EQ makes it awesome, not the unbalanced parts. True, having variety often leads to imbalance, but it's one thing to say "class X can do five things well, and class Y can only do two", and another to say "race X is just 100% superior in every way to race Y" (which wasn't a gameplay design choice, it was a "let's make more money" choice: it happened because Verant wanted everyone to buy the Kunark expansion, so they made the race you got in it better).

Iksar aren't exactly 100% superior (they do have poor faction and an XP penalty), but as tadkins said it's almost wrong to not pick them for your Necro, and I think that makes the game worse, not better. However, I'm still holding out hope that the P99 devs will someday introduce some really awesome non-Iksar Necro items (maybe even one with regen!) in custom content on Blue.

[Rader]

Originally Posted by tadkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's hard to ignore the advantage an iksar has, even moreso when you've got folks telling you all the time "why aren't you iksar?" or "quick go reroll iksar!". Yes that has happened to me before.

Simple response. /bird

[Bardp1999]

Also, I would like to point out that unless you are an unemployed loser your chances of getting manastone, holgresh beads, fungi staff, locket of escape (really the only 4 items worth mentioning) are basically 0 even if you start on day 1.

P99 is about grinding and denying others, if that doesnt sound appealing then stop before you start.

[Gustoo]

Weird thread seems like this guy is just asking for luclin to come out?

Only thing from luclin that should make it is the slot machines to suck plat out of system.

If you're sick of the pixel rot, play on red server. Its classic as fuck compared.

[Fammaden]

Iksars are ugly as shit and look stupid as hell in robes. This would provide balance, but its mitigated somewhat by necros being illusioned so often.

[unsunghero]

Time locked servers are great for filthy casuals like me. I’ll play a lot one week then sometimes go 1-2 weeks without logging in. This sort of schedule would leave me far behind if it were a live or progression server. I would never be able to catch up, and always be doing content alone far behind everyone else

But with time locked servers I can come back whenever I want and not be any more behind than I was. Progress made is always permanent progress

[Gustoo]

Vanilla is best.

Kunark and Velious are pretty great.

Monks only being able to be humans was the best. Worst race, good style. It was great.

Iksar regen monks are like a hack.

Iksar regen necro is cool but not game changing. Something about physical enhancement like regen on a purely physical class like monk just feels bummer.

But the ogre already existed and for SK, warrior, shaman they are hands down better than others.

Thats just how this game is, and I like it.

Warrior - Ogre
SK - Ogre
Shaman - Ogre
Rogue - Barb
Monk - Iksar
Necro - Iksar

out of 14 classes, 6 of them have 1 race that is definitely superior.

You could argue for halfling for druids, and high elf for clerics and enchanter, but the differences for those races are super minor, where the 6 above are meaningful advantages.

But thats how the game is whether iksars are here or not, we would still have 4 superior race choice classes.

But do you want to be an OGRE? Do you want to be KOS everywhere in old world? Do you want to be a barbarian rogue?

Only matters in PVP where only barb rogues get throwing boulders. Plunk!