TEAMS pvp, Please?

[torr071]

teams would work on p99.
diety based was hella fun.
because they the only ones that would not do ridiculous p2w schemes.
2021 has been alot of just bad team pvp releases.

eq2 teams pvp..p2w (and NO ONE ASKED FOR EQ2!)
aion classic team pvp p2w squared.
crowfall..makin the koreans feel cheap p2w style
new world .. p2w and has a HR pvp environment where they trigger their testers to uncover political bias and 'report' players 'bias' for bannings. worst pvp crowd in history.


just HUGE disappointments so far in team pvp genre. p99 diety pvp would go far.

[Gustoo]

Diety doesn't make sense unless you use it as a red vs blue indicator and use it to indicate the starting city and stuff.

Not sure how I feel about all races / classes being available to each team vs the slightly more nuanced teams Nilbog made in east vs west in Old PVP's sig.

At least no one could claim it wasn't balanced, but it also makes it less interesting.

I don't care if it tanks in a year or two or three, it just needs to be new and fun for vanilla and kunark and probably hopefully never go to velious and preferably never even go to kunark imo.

[torr071]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Diety doesn't make sense unless you use it as a red vs blue indicator and use it to indicate the starting city and stuff.

Not sure how I feel about all races / classes being available to each team vs the slightly more nuanced teams Nilbog made in east vs west in Old PVP's sig.

At least no one could claim it wasn't balanced, but it also makes it less interesting.

I don't care if it tanks in a year or two or three, it just needs to be new and fun for vanilla and kunark and probably hopefully never go to velious and preferably never even go to kunark imo.

Gustoo,
Ive played diety, I was there. it had a population that was larger than any server in EQ at the time (including Povar), and Smedley ended it for whatever his petty non business related reasons.
That said, I've been playin most mmo pvp games since. in regards to EQ the 2 teams version died, but had a life slightly better than FFA. which was what killed all of EQ pvp when Smedley decided to roll all pvp onto the least popular rules server, basically ending pvp. cause Smedley hated pvp.. Brad liked it, and thus you understand EQ politics.

deity pvp there are 3 teams (good/neut/evil), so much like DAoC.. one of very few pvp games where you need to be always watchful of the AssJam from the 3rd team.

So we can theorize all day and night, but the fact exists that the diety server was the most popular server ever made for EQ, more popular than anything anyone had created up to that time in any game. Everything else non team eq pvp created has not held a candle to that server, not even close. So yeah theres a good reason people keep saying bring back diety pvp... it had the numbers.
Theres 1 game like diety pvp and thats DAoC..and thats popular enough to run 2 versions atm (live and phoenix) with thousands online in both after 20 years.
not a single ffa pvp has had a run like that. our EQ diety server today might still be active if not for smedley being smedley.

[Tune]

teams does nothing but give people the ability to troll their own team

[Gustoo]

Are you actually talking about making a sullon zek server with good neutral and evil?

Player count is not relevant. There hadn't been a NEW pvp server on live everquest for years when Sullon launched, it was a great opportunity to start fresh on a PVP server and everquest was at peak popularity at the time. It makes sense that it got a lot of players. That doesn't speak to the virtue of diety teams at all.

For a non item loot ruleset, I do think that the sullon style unlimited PVP range is the best solution. Its not as good as item loot rallos style but its better than Red 99 or vallon / tallon no loot with limited pvp engagement range.

Sullon was the least balanced server ever by the time Live made "Zek" and "zek" was only made because all the servers were low pop, including sullon zek so they did what they had to. No one was happy about it. For me it didn't matter by then because I had quit and rallos ended when augments came out.

[torr071]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Player count is not relevant. There hadn't been a NEW pvp server on live everquest for years when Sullon launched, it was a great opportunity to start fresh on a PVP server and everquest was at peak popularity at the time. It makes sense that it got a lot of players. That doesn't speak to the virtue of diety teams at all.
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1. pvp player count is lifeblood.. not relevant?
2. Sullon launched after SWG. Also ran by SOE. They knew how popular teams was after making SWG. Sullon launched after Raph Koster made his famous 'dont bring a knife to a gunfight' and nerfed TKM, basically ending SWG pvp. making Sullon king before launch.

Smedley ran both games, and hated brad. Sullon was extremely popular, but DAoC was coming. Smedley in infinite wisdom decides to not compete in mmo pvp and destroys all his pvp servers into 1 FFA Zek, the least popular ruleset. basically giving the genre to his SWG vs the incoming DAoC..which he loses his arse.
not sure if Marc Jacobs paid Smedley to do it either, there is a story.. lol.

[torr071]

Merge of Rallos Zek, Sullon Zek, Tallon Zek and Vallon Zek (March 2005)

wanted to make sure we establish the family of Zeks, which became the failed FFA Zek.

Sullon was diety and the first to be ended, it wasnt merged.. it was ended.
The other 3 were merged. One of those was a 2 team server. All had differing rulesets to loot.
sullon was the least balanced you say? in what way? Each side had things the others did not. Thats like saying Wow was unbalanced, and then the crying twats got all the classes on all the teams, destroying a perfectly good game.
Diety is like that game, there is balance in working together and using your teams strengths..
there is no balance in equity, just like in life.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by torr071 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Merge of Rallos Zek, Sullon Zek, Tallon Zek and Vallon Zek (March 2005)

wanted to make sure we establish the family of Zeks, which became the failed FFA Zek.

Sullon was diety and the first to be ended, it wasnt merged.. it was ended.
The other 3 were merged. One of those was a 2 team server. All had differing rulesets to loot.
sullon was the least balanced you say? in what way? Each side had things the others did not. Thats like saying Wow was unbalanced, and then the crying twats got all the classes on all the teams, destroying a perfectly good game.
Diety is like that game, there is balance in working together and using your teams strengths..
there is no balance in equity, just like in life.

The problem is the levels of toxicity EQpvp emu attracts. You can put your hand in the fire once the griefers get a char or 2 to 50, they will hang in low level zones and one shot people 24/7 for lulz. You will get a box like red 1.0 in record time, lucky to get a 2 digit pop.

[Gustoo]

Sullon had evil team win very early. Thats what I mean. I played there too. Good times, but I liked item loot better and in 2005 when the merge happened, I wasn't playing.

It was popular because it was a new opportunity, it got a lot of players. Just like any new red server here will be popular for a while. It isn't an indicator of the best ruleset. It can indicate many different things.

[torr071]

I played both og rallos and the loot version, never got far in either was always ganked at the newbie log for hours on end, fun, but yeah, that meme had an actual reality.

went to swg, came back for sullon release after the raph patch. played a newt. You say evil won, but they didnt, I was based in rivervale and the war was in highkeep when the server ended.
People bring up the diety server because of one thing..it never waned in popularity.

unlike every ffa mmo pvp created, which have ended. DAoC the 'sister' game to eq diety is still going. WARHammer would also still be going if they didnt end it.