Negative Health Impacts of Masks

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why didnt they just do a study using N95 masks and some control groups?? Oh that wouldnt bring the results you want. Best to just search for only negative effects you find not associated with N95 masks, stack the deck with those problems, then include N95's.

No one is wearing N95s, so my quotes are for normal masks (unless I screwed up). The quoted paper is a survey paper that reports the results of 60 something separate studies, and I simply skipped the results for N95s as virtually no one is wearing one anyway, so I felt the comparison would be unfair, because N95s restrict your breathing more than cloth masks, not less. If you read the paper, the people wearing N95s suffered the worst.

[unsunghero]

A few people have suffered cardiac arrests and died while attempting to exercise in masks. This was happening in China long before COVID. This is due to many of China's citizens choosing to wear masks outside due to China's pollution problems in big cities

Most recently it happened to a high school student in Oregon, who was forced to wear a mask while RUNNING A RACE (so stupid) https://www.westernjournal.com/hs-ru...mask-mandates/ (although she didn't die). I wonder what would be more difficult, running an 800m dash wearing a mask or running it while attempting to smoke a cigarette?

If that was an outside event, forcing a healthy high school student to wear a mask during a race is just about the stupidest thing I've heard this year. But I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming it was an inside event

Gyms in our state had a mask mandate for a full year. It makes some sense, considering the gym is most likely where I caught COVID in July of 2020. Good thing I didn't pass it to anyone vulnerable and it was a joke a get over because I'm not old or fat. I actually got used to the mask mandate however, after trying many different types I found the best one to be those N95 ones with the plastic cup piece, I'd leave the bottom strap undone and work out with just the top strap on. The only time I would really struggle with wearing a mask was leg day. After a set of lunges, squats, or deadlifts, I would be winded and just could not catch my breath with the mask on. This is where that N95 one comes in handy. I'd just pull the bottom strap out and it would slightly lift the lower part of the mask. I could breathe more freely, but my breath was still directed straight down and not out, because the mask was still 80% covering my face

After the state lifted mandatory masking (Our COVID rates went from 5,000 new/day to 600 new/day following vaccines), almost no one continued to wear masks at the gym. I did the first day just to be polite (plus I don't like to bring negative attention to myself by being "THAT GUY" who's the only person in a particular place not following the rules), but quickly took it off when I noticed no one else was bothering. Even older people, I'm assuming it's because they are vaccinated

Anyway TLDR: the idea of working out in a mask is pretty ridiculous from a health perspective, although it seems to be possible for non-cardio exercises

[Gravydoo II]

To say that it isnt slanted to make n95 masks look bad would just be wrong though. Why would they even include those masks at all?? Seems like they just wanted to find a way to say "masks bad". Why would you even include two things so dissimilar?? A home made shirt around your mouth and a professionally made mask from a company with years of feed back and experience are just not the same. Then to put them both in the same group, as if they were equals, its not to make them look good. The whole "paper" which is just an amalgamation of other papers, pretty much just cherry picking, quote mining. It only includes the worst results.

Like yea, it may be correct, but i could do that too with anything. 50 reasons why oranges kill you, then just include "home made orange killing machines" and that list fills out pretty quickly and with a lot of bad shit happening.

Oh and if anyone wants to split hairs on my blocking your mouth hole a few percent is bad, we can do that but its like.. everyone knows what a restrictor plate is. Some how, the cars still work. Yeah they not making 800 hp but they making 600 comfortably.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ambiguously quoting tangential Wikipedia articles is a great debate strategy, but it's not a great way to arrive at the truth. Which one is your goal here?

https://english.stackexchange.com/qu...-but-by-washin

Reality holds more complexities than any singular truth, present or past, can do justice. A lot of what was true centuries ago doesn't track with our current understanding. Similarly, what's considered true today will be better understood and articulated centuries from now, assuming humankind survives itself. If it isn't the whole truth, than by definition it isn't the truth. That is the issue with having only one or two articles/studies to support an argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

And of course truth can also depend greatly on personal experience. For instance, an able-bodied person who claims that "masks don't do anything" would be considered addle-brained by anyone with cystic fibrosis. Something, something, risk–benefit ratio.

https://midwesternnewspapers.com/wea...stic-fibrosis/

“If medical science has proven it saves lives in the CF world,” said Shane. “It’s that simple. People did die because they thought CF kids needed an outlet, something in common so they had this camp for them to play but it backfired.

https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/full....201503-0481LE

The recently updated Cystic Fibrosis Foundation infection control guidelines advise people with cystic fibrosis (CF) to wear a surgical mask in healthcare settings to reduce the risk for transmission or acquisition of CF pathogens (1).

Surgical masks were originally developed to prevent droplet contamination of operating fields. Very little is known about their ability to prevent droplet nuclei generation. Some investigators suggest that droplet nuclei cannot be formed, as the originator droplets will be impacted on the mask (6). Others argue that small infectious particles originating from the lung, rather than impacting on an obstructing mask, will follow airstreams flowing around the edges of relatively loose fitting surgical masks (7). Both arguments relate directly to Newton’s laws of motion: Newton’s first law states objects in motion will continue to move in the same direction unless acted on by an unbalanced force. Therefore, large particles will impact on an obstructing object (a mask), whereas small particles do not need much force (F = ma; Newton’s second law) to change direction and might be able to follow airstreams around the mask’s edges.

We aimed to determine whether surgical masks were effective in reducing the airborne spread of P. aeruginosa by people with CF when coughing.

Despite these study limitations, we demonstrated that surgical masks were effective in reducing the airborne load of P. aeruginosa when colonized individuals with CF cough. Our data provide evidence for the new Cystic Fibrosis Foundation guideline to wear surgical masks in healthcare settings.

The italicized section is why some believe "masks don't do anything"; however, even in this study, that generalization is not accurate.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The italicized section is why some believe "masks don't do anything"; however, even in this study, that generalization is not accurate.

Nope

They really don't do anything

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

random quotes

Why don't you put that brain to good use seeking the truth rather than debating? We both know that mess of quotes is quite irrelevant, and the goal is to be correct, not right.

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

everyone knows what a restrictor plate is. Some how, the cars still work. Yeah they not making 800 hp but they making 600 comfortably.

Actually, I had to google restrictor plate! But here is the key point: Why would you want to run your body at 600 hp rather than 800? And what happens to civilization when we all run at 90% capacity?

Originally Posted by Gravydoo II [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems like they just wanted to find a way to say "masks bad". Why would you even include two things so dissimilar?? A home made shirt around your mouth and a professionally made mask from a company with years of feed back and experience are just not the same. Then to put them both in the same group, as if they were equals, its not to make them look good. The whole "paper" which is just an amalgamation of other papers, pretty much just cherry picking, quote mining. It only includes the worst results.

It's a real paper by real PhD scientists in a real peer-reviewed journal. Personally I think we should trust the science here. But more seriously: why is it so difficult for you to believe that masks cause chronic, low level stress? As BlackBellamy says, obvious study is obvious.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But here is the key point: Why would you want to run your body at 600 hp rather than 800? And what happens to civilization when we all run at 90% capacity?

https://www.healthline.com/health/tr...efits#benefits

https://www.menshealth.com/uk/fitnes...ring-training/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4879455/

When you wear a training mask, your body begins to adapt to the reduced oxygen intake, making your heart and lungs work harder.

Then, when you take the mask off, you’ll get a big boost — your body has adapted to the restricted oxygen and is able to use the oxygen more efficiently, which helps you perform better.

After using a training mask for some time, you may feel like you can run faster, jump higher, or bike for a longer duration. If you’re a competitor, this may give you an edge over the people you’re up against.

Get away from your PC and do some lifting

[Raev]

You are confusing acute and chronic stress. Also, they took the masks OFF to demonstrate the performance results, which again shows that wearing masks slows you down. But more to the point, this is why Science exists. Actual experiments show mask wearing causes negative symptoms.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm actually worried about the environmental damage of masks more than anything. Poor sea turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yah. Mass manufacturing and harvesting of cotton and polycarbons is no good.

Less bad if we made our own out of used double or triple layers of cotton.

A large majority of painters masks which ppl wastefully use to comply with social norms are made in China.

We probably afflicted people with more horrible deformities, cancers, and terminal illnesses with the mask industry/ economy than all of the influenzas combined throughout human history..

Reason #56447 not to get bent over masks.

The fuel production and waste from inefficiently transporting and distributing masks alone probably increased heavy metal pollution a non trivial amount.

[Nocht]

https://youtu.be/X29lF43mUlo