Platinum Standard

[Maschenny]

Originally Posted by Littul Jonn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He’s not wrong. I mean think of the only reason you’re really mad for losing a dragon. It’s because you invest 4 hours of your life into that one thing and now you get nothing. That’s also why people don’t change guilds ever, it takes a year in whatever mega guilds there are now to get a vindi bp so why change guilds and start that process over?

In vanq you could earn enough dkp for a vindi bp in 1-2 days.

[RecondoJoe]

I had to leave a Guild on World of Warcraft that I otherwise really liked because of the DKP system.

I was a Rogue and despite being the top DPS in the entire 25 man guild I was ineligible for loot for 6+ months because Rogues share the same token as Death Knights, Mages, and Druids, and in that 25 man guild there was so many Mages, Death Knights, Druids and even other Rogues who had more DKP than me that I actually got a calculator out and did the math on it, and even if the items I needed dropped every week (which would never happen), it would come out to like 4-5 months before I would have my chance at getting loot. By that time the new raid would have already come out, so I was basically raiding for no reason.

Now maybe that's just me being greedy, for not wanting to raid for 6 months straight to watch guys who are doing inferior dps and not showing up to half the raids get loot before I become eligible for a single item, but when you can join literally any new guild, or a guild that doesn't use DKP and have a fair shot at those items the same day... it's a no brainer.

Think the final nail in the coffin was when another Rogue, who was an officer, had missed a ton of raids. In fact, I had only seen him on one raid since I joined (I had been raiding for about a month), and the best Rogue dagger in the entire game dropped (Scaleslicer at the time). I was super excited because I was the only Rogue who had shown up. Do I get this dagger? No, it goes into the Guild Leader's bags for the other Rogue who no one has seen for a month. Other people in the raid actually got upset because they knew I was the only person who showed up to every raid and was consistently top DPS.

But yeah, that was it for me. I didn't rage, I waited til a few hours after the raid, and I joined another guild, and a week later when my Guild Leader saw me I already had better gear than he did by simply joining a newer guild where everyone had a fair shot at loot. He seemed to resent the fact that my items were better than his, like I didn't deserve to have better gear than he did? Like IDK. Very strange mentality.

DKP can be very toxic.

[Gustoo]

Sounds disgusting I’m super ill because of this thread.

Need before greed, random on stuff that everyone needs. Cool down period for ransoms after you win mega elite stuff.

Everyone will show up because they have a chance to get something. Only one alt allowed and only once you’ve got one toon totally jacked up and no one wants you to stop showing up with your roided out psycho toon.

[myrddraal]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds disgusting I’m super ill because of this thread.

Need before greed, random on stuff that everyone needs. Cool down period for ransoms after you win mega elite stuff.

Everyone will show up because they have a chance to get something. Only one alt allowed and only once you’ve got one toon totally jacked up and no one wants you to stop showing up with your roided out psycho toon.

random is by for the worst system imo. When I was in a guild that randomed everything people would roll on everything just because it was usable by all classes and races. Or would lose the only piece of loot at their level of raiding that I could even use to someone on their first raid who never showed back up.

[Ennewi]

"Feed the hole" scene from Romeo Is Bleeding (1993)

[Gustoo]

Random is perfectly fair. Everyone who shows up gets a chance. If you are unreliable and consistently only show up to raids that could generate items you want, you get removed from the guild. Fair n square.

Maybe there were too many people skipping raids that didn’t have items they wanted? Figure something out or make a real guild where people give a shit.

The toxic on the server is from RMT like the other posters thread it’s impossible that people are pharming the way the do for any reason besides paying bills.

[Grumph]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Random is perfectly fair. Everyone who shows up gets a chance. If you are unreliable and consistently only show up to raids that could generate items you want, you get removed from the guild. Fair n square.

Maybe there were too many people skipping raids that didn’t have items they wanted? Figure something out or make a real guild where people give a shit.

The toxic on the server is from RMT like the other posters thread it’s impossible that people are pharming the way the do for any reason besides paying bills.

I don’t endorse rando Ming for loot. Not for guilds. Not even for groups. If you go on a loosing streak and never win anything? Feels bad. If you at least get a little plats from the drops you’ve seen? Feels good.


Random is worse than DKP. Immediately leads to all this weird “need before greed” and “you still better show up!” Shaming language.

Why? Because you want other people to show up for free (probably) so you can get something for almost nothing (hopefully).


Dkp at least accrues over time. And obviously Platnum. Value for value is good.


But its the feeling of sunk cost - enormous time wasted - that builds resentment when you see a competitor win.

They didn’t just beat you today. They devalued all the DKP you’ve saved.


Randoms and DKP both have significant anti social consequences. Plat sharing is the best of both worlds.

[Jibartik]

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[Gustoo]

I don't understand the plat sharing but maybe that system is fine.

DKP obviously hopeless system pyramid scheme.

[Cassawary]

To ensure the maximum utility is extracted from our resources, a Loot Value Tax(LVT) must be implemented