Why every list change idea is terrible (as simple as possible)

[Castle2.0]

The only fair list is to completely recycle it after the item drops so normal people have a chance to get spot #1 and not some sick drug addict who does not go outside

Great arguments so far. I'll put this right up there with "give everyone a manastone."

I don't have the time to camp it... so make it random because that fits my individual playtime requirement.... Awww <3

This^ Most people won't be willing to bypass a list IP lock and the ones who have real issues with their ip changing naturally are minimal.

"Most people" aren't the group of people you're complaining the /list caters to.... If your IP change boot rule got put into play, neckbeards be like...

[Albane]

Remove all of the items that were removed from the game because of balance issues. Manastone, Guise, Rubi BP all should have never been on this server. Any items like this in Kunark should be removed before Kunark releases.

[Jibartik]

yeah because this game is so balanced without those items!

[Castle2.0]

The fact that such items exist and are even possible to attain is one big draw for some people. It's also preserves the classic feel - the unique progression of EQ.

[Jibartik]

What fun would the universe be if when we discovered quantum physics the creator just nerfed it.

[Wutaan]

Mannastone, serious question. Are you retarded, or just assbergers?

[Castle2.0]

Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 18

Saw your post history. Go back to RnF. Not even a good troll.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First, a simple, irrefutable economic fact that destroys every argument to make the list easier: price elasticity of demand

Your post is 100% correct, but I think it might be clearer without this fact. Because the supply is fixed, the elasticity of the item is irrelevant.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[*]Make it drop off more mobs and/or make the spawn rate of the mob faster.[*]Make it randomly drop to 1 person in top 3, top 6, top 50, top 100, whatever. Staff will never put in a lottery system. It's unclassic in spirit.

What's all this unclassic jibah jabah? The whole freaking EQ loot system is a lottery. How the hell is that unclassic? people could be killing the shroom king from day one until the drop is nerfed and NO ONE could get a single staff.

[Castle2.0]

What's all this unclassic jibah jabah? The whole freaking EQ loot system is a lottery. How the hell is that unclassic? people could be killing the shroom king from day one until the drop is nerfed and NO ONE could get a single staff.

A slot machine and a lottery aren't the same.

Camping a mob solo is a slot machine. If the numbers hit, I win.

The proposed idea to random off the item to top X people camping is a lottery on TOP of a slot machine. Gotta hit the RNG it drops, THEN you gotta hit the RNG it goes to you.

#1 has put in significantly more time than #6 - it doesn't make sense to random it off with equal odds. No additional RNG should be artificially added into EQ on P99 Green unless their is an incredibly good reason to do so. None has been given so far.

I'm not saying RNG isn't a big part of EQ. Lottery is not. Player agreed "scout roll" and "server-wide raid" is fine if players want to come to an agreement. There will never be a player agreement on legacy items. Devs/GMs have to make an executive decision, and the best option is the current list system.

The List (as it is) is the best we have. It's as fair as it gets.

• First come, first served to get on list
• No one can cheat you out of your spot on the list
• No group or guild can hold the camp or list hostage or totally dominate it so others can't get on
• No one can go AFK for extended periods of time
• The item cannot be ninja looted
• When someone makes it to #1 and it drops, it's 100% their item
• When the list item drops, #1 is removed from the list and everyone moves up 1 spot. #1 cannot lie and say the item didn't drop, and keep camping the item.