Hybird spells

[Nagash]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes it did, I remember specifically.

Anyway, all of these arguments about "it's not a custom server" are annoying. Yes, it is. P1999 as it exists is not an exact replica of real EQ at any point during it's history. There were many different versions of classic EQ to begin with. Most of you can't even seem to remember the exact specifics of classic EQ. It would be best for everyone to subtly shape the game to provide the best experience possible for what EQ should be in 2011.

Rogean and the team are trying as hard as they can to recreate EQ as it was initially, not how it should be in 2011. Don't like it? Easy, you have 3 solutions:
- take a sub to EQ Live
- make your own server on EQ Emu if you think you can make a better replica of EQ as it was in 99
- go to post in Rant and Raves

I read a lot of frustration in your post because the server is not like how you want it to be. Bear in mind that it is just how 900+ other persons want it to be, most importantly, it is how Nilborg, Rogean and the team want it to be.

It is not the best experience for you? I am sorry to read that but will gladly show you the way out. It is a blast for me and the others.

By the way, next time remember two things:
1) Get your facts straight before you post, if you're not sure, at least say it
2) Rogean and Co spend 10's of hours of their personal time, that is time away from their day job, away from their families and friends to try to give us the best possible experience. For Heaven's sake, Rogean was awake all night last night to try to sort out some issues caused by a failure at the server homing centre, none of which was his fault. Do you think he didn't have to show at work today? In light of all of this, trying to go against the very essence of what they are trying to do is vcery disrespectful.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes it did, I remember specifically.

Anyway, all of these arguments about "it's not a custom server" are annoying. Yes, it is. P1999 as it exists is not an exact replica of real EQ at any point during it's history. There were many different versions of classic EQ to begin with. Most of you can't even seem to remember the exact specifics of classic EQ. It would be best for everyone to subtly shape the game to provide the best experience possible for what EQ should be in 2011.

A common misunderstanding of how the server works.

The stuff that isn't classic isn't like that because the devs decided to make it be that way. It's because they start with a product that isn't classic at all, and over time turn it as classic as possible. If they could push a button and make it 100% classic, they would. They can't though, they have to meticulously code it, which takes time, which means some elements that aren't classic stay in longer than others (and some elements can't even be changed)

The goal, the target, is classic EQ. Any proposed custom changes are contradictory to that goal, and as such, wont be implemented.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Extunarian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I assume you are talking about when they tried to improve the experience for lower level players by lowering the spell levels of rez/corpse summon/lesser succor? If so, you are wrong. This happened months after luclin. Try researching instead of 'remembering.'

That's not what I am talking about at all. During CLASSIC era there was a specific buff to ALL of the Hybrids' spell lists. I can't remember if it happened after Kunark or after Velious, but it was one of the 4 changes I talked about a few pages back that were made over the course of Classic to improve the Hybrids' spellcasting such that it was actually useful. If you do an Internet Archive search for Caster's Realm, you will probably find it.

[mwatt]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes it did, I remember specifically.

Anyway, all of these arguments about "it's not a custom server" are annoying. Yes, it is. P1999 as it exists is not an exact replica of real EQ at any point during it's history. There were many different versions of classic EQ to begin with. Most of you can't even seem to remember the exact specifics of classic EQ. It would be best for everyone to subtly shape the game to provide the best experience possible for what EQ should be in 2011.

It will be as close as is possible to the original Classic experience. Achieving this goal is limited in some cases by lack of information, in other cases by time requirements. Once you start down the slippery slope of "subtly shaping", you have diverged from the mission plan and it won't be possible to stop. That isn't what this server is about (god bless the devs) and not what 99% of us want to see happen.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Nagash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogean and the team are trying as hard as they can to recreate EQ as it was initially, not how it should be in 2011.

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The goal, the target, is classic EQ. Any proposed custom changes are contradictory to that goal, and as such, wont be implemented.

There is no such thing as replicating the exact classic EQ from 1999-2001 in 2011. We, the player base, know far too much about the game and that drastically alters how we play it in comparison to 1999-2001. IF the Everquest of 1999-2001 had continued on to this day, I'm 100% sure that there would have been plenty of changes to improve the QUALITY and the playing experience of the game. Any change I suggest is along those lines.

As for "any proposed changes are contradictory to that goal", then why are the developers constantly entertaining notions of altering the game to provide a further experience from what existed pre-Luclin? I very much appreciate what they are doing but I believe they will have to eventually think about making alterations to p1999, if they haven't already, such that it is classic EQ but with further modifications that the ORIGINAL GAME DESIGNERS (following their original vision and not their $$$ vision) would have likely carried out themselves to improve (re)playability and fix existing issues.

[baalzy]

I really hope Zuranthium disappears when Live is back up.

He's either one of the stupidest people on the planet, or the worlds most brilliant troll.

Hey, because I can make semantic statements about how classic everquest can't even be recreated because people have knowledge (no shit sherlock) we should change it to make it the game I want to play.

This server isn't for you, shut up and go somewhere else.

Furthermore, you do realize that Guineapig is just a forum moderator? His entire 'integrating PoP into P99' thread is purely hypothetical. He has absolutely NO control over what is happening with the server. If the name ain't bright blue or red it don't mean shit (or in Nilbogs case, purple).

[Zuranthium]

I'm not talking about him, I'm talking about comments made by devs in that thread and elsewhere.

I don't play Live. I haven't played Live since 2004. Live is a piece of shit. You clearly do not understand how much I care about the classic EQ experience, so perhaps you should read this before being so ignorant - http://www.fippydarkpaw.com/forums/v...p=11640#p11640

It's not about "the game I want to play" (the game I'd ideally want to play would have an entirely different combat system than Everquest does), it's about making the game better for most everyone as the ORIGINAL GAME DEVELOPERS would have done if classic EQ had continued to exist and they had continued to stay true to the vision of the game.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no such thing as replicating the exact classic EQ from 1999-2001 in 2011. We, the player base, know far too much about the game and that drastically alters how we play it in comparison to 1999-2001. IF the Everquest of 1999-2001 had continued on to this day, I'm 100% sure that there would have been plenty of changes to improve the QUALITY and the playing experience of the game. Any change I suggest is along those lines.

That's all fine and dandy that the players know too much to have a truly classic experience, but it doesn't change the fact that the goal of the developers is to recreate classic EQ as closely as possible while following the timeline up to Velious.

As for "any proposed changes are contradictory to that goal", then why are the developers constantly entertaining notions of altering the game to provide a further experience from what existed pre-Luclin? I very much appreciate what they are doing but I believe they will have to eventually think about making alterations to p1999, if they haven't already, such that it is classic EQ but with further modifications that the ORIGINAL GAME DESIGNERS (following their original vision and not their $$$ vision) would have likely carried out themselves to improve (re)playability and fix existing issues.

And where do you see all these notions being entertained? I don't see that anywhere, nor does anyone else. The only thing remotely close to what you're talking about is nilbog stating that after Velious is out for awhile perhaps doing custom content from there, since the goal of the server from the get-go was to recreate classic up to Velious. Custom shit before Velious is 100% contradictory to the goal and point of the server, and wont be here.

I mean, there's some stuff that isn't classic I (and many) people wouldn't mind seeing, but that is not the point of the server, and that's not what they will be doing.

[Kassel]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really hope Zuranthium disappears when Live is back up.

He's either one of the stupidest people on the planet, or the worlds most brilliant troll.

[Doors]

Has to be a troll, nobody is this dumb.