Ogre Frontal Stun Immunity with Illusion?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Worry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes anyone downplaying AoN even on Blue probably just hasn't had one. Incredibly useful and fun clicky.

Nah, AoN is quite over hyped and over priced for what it does for you.

Most races are roughly human size or taller. This means the unshrinking benefit is already only affecting a minority of characters. On top of that, many small race classes have other means to unshrink. Rogues get illusion masks, Enchanters get illusions, Necros get Lich (Skeleton), etc.

Not a lot of gnomes/halflings/dwarfs are going to be FTE racing in ToV. Most pullers are going to be human sized or taller. This is Monks, Necros, SKs, etc. In the rare occasions where this does occur, AoN may be a justified DKP/Plat expense if there aren't people to consistently borrow an AoN from.

Gnome mages in raids may have a bit of trouble due to their size, but in a raid guild there will be people willing to let the COTH mage borrow an AoN for a click. Or they will just COTH the COTH mage to be lazy and safe lol.

As I said earlier, the faction adjustment is the best part about AoN. However, for MOST players, it is easier/faster to fix their faction, as opposed to grind 300k for an AoN, or spend a considerable amount of DKP for it. This is also assuming their class does not have an existing illusion clickie/spell they can use. I think most players would agree that 300k is not worth the ability to buy/bank in OT. You can easily get a port to another city and hammer back to Kunark. That is much cheaper, even over a long period of time.

AoN would be most useful for someone like an Iksar warrior, since they have limited travel spell options, and no alternate abilities that allow them to bank or buy/sell at merchants. Even then, however, 300k is quite a steep price, and fixing faction usually isn't hard.

[Vaarsuvius]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, AoN is quite over hyped and over priced for what it does for you.

Most races are roughly human size or taller. This means the unshrinking benefit is already only affecting a minority of characters. On top of that, many small race classes have other means to unshrink. Rogues get illusion masks, Enchanters get illusions, Necros get Lich (Skeleton), etc.

Not a lot of gnomes/halflings/dwarfs are going to be FTE racing in ToV. Most pullers are going to be human sized or taller. This is Monks, Necros, SKs, etc. In the rare occasions where this does occur, AoN may be a justified DKP/Plat expense if there aren't people to consistently borrow an AoN from.

Gnome mages in raids may have a bit of trouble due to their size, but in a raid guild there will be people willing to let the COTH mage borrow an AoN for a click. Or they will just COTH the COTH mage to be lazy and safe lol.

As I said earlier, the faction adjustment is the best part about AoN. However, for MOST players, it is easier/faster to fix their faction, as opposed to grind 300k for an AoN, or spend a considerable amount of DKP for it. This is also assuming their class does not have an existing illusion clickie/spell they can use. I think most players would agree that 300k is not worth the ability to buy/bank in OT. You can easily get a port to another city and hammer back to Kunark. That is much cheaper, even over a long period of time.

AoN would be most useful for someone like an Iksar warrior, since they have limited travel spell options, and no alternate abilities that allow them to bank or buy/sell at merchants. Even then, however, 300k is quite a steep price, and fixing faction usually isn't hard.

As you stated, aside from the über status it confers, being able to use almost any vendor/bank without having to go back to Cabilis or gipsy camps to do so is really invaluable. At least all for those areas where you'll be KoS with bear Form. Or stick to Velious wher ikkies are not despised

As an iksar shaman I can at least use Gate or use expensive potions to move around Norrath, but any iksar melee will really have a hard time sellibg/ buying stuff

[Xulia]

Originally Posted by Vaarsuvius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As an iksar shaman I can at least use Gate or use expensive potions to move around Norrath, but any iksar melee will really have a hard time sellibg/ buying stuff

If you want to Feign, Go get your Sky ring!

But you don't need to Feign in order to sell.

Need to sell in Velious? Othmir merchants in CS, super close to a druid ring Confirmed non-KoS to all Iksar.
Need to sell in Antonica? Druid merchants at rings are non-KOS to anyone. Confirmed on multiple Iksar toons, but usually have some chud next to them with a bee in their bonnet.
Coin too heavy? Buy gems, eat the loss, continue to enjoy your natural regen + higher AC + ability to swim faster than a 30lb house cat.

Circlet of Shadow (Optional-ish?) + Death Peace, IKS SHD/NEC can bank anywhere.

Sneak + Flop, IKS MNK can bank anywhere.

As an IKS SHM you really only need the Feign Ring to be able to Bank anywhere unless you acknowledge the obvious:
Crystal Caverns has a banker that will deal with anyone and that's another reason why it's the best zone in any game ever made.

[Worry]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, AoN is quite over hyped and over priced for what it does for you.

In your opinion yes.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most races are roughly human size or taller. This means the unshrinking benefit is already only affecting a minority of characters. On top of that, many small race classes have other means to unshrink. Rogues get illusion masks, Enchanters get illusions, Necros get Lich (Skeleton), etc.

What does this have to do with anything? Of course most races aren't huge. This is an idiotic argument imo, because that's like saying "Ragebringer can only be used by one class so it should be half the price!"

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not a lot of gnomes/halflings/dwarfs are going to be FTE racing in ToV. Most pullers are going to be human sized or taller. This is Monks, Necros, SKs, etc. In the rare occasions where this does occur, AoN may be a justified DKP/Plat expense if there aren't people to consistently borrow an AoN from.

So you think the ability to borrow someone elses RARE item negates value for said item? Lol.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I said earlier, the faction adjustment is the best part about AoN. However, for MOST players, it is easier/faster to fix their faction, as opposed to grind 300k for an AoN, or spend a considerable amount of DKP for it. This is also assuming their class does not have an existing illusion clickie/spell they can use. I think most players would agree that 300k is not worth the ability to buy/bank in OT. You can easily get a port to another city and hammer back to Kunark. That is much cheaper, even over a long period of time.

Your arguments make no sense man, of course you don't need an AoN to play. That wasn't the implication, no item is required to play a class or character. The value of ANY item is due to rarity and usefulness. AoN exceeds in both categories in your own words. You can play butt ass naked on a Necro, but that doesn't mean a Zlandi's Heart should be cheaper because of that. Absolutely ridiculous. "This item is overpriced because I can constantly get ports for cheaper than the item that helps me bank almost anywhere"

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AoN would be most useful for someone like an Iksar warrior, since they have limited travel spell options, and no alternate abilities that allow them to bank or buy/sell at merchants. Even then, however, 300k is quite a steep price, and fixing faction usually isn't hard.

It's 200k not 300k.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Worry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What does this have to do with anything? Of course most races aren't huge. This is an idiotic argument imo, because that's like saying "Ragebringer can only be used by one class so it should be half the price!"

Yes, that Ragebringer argument is silly. Good thing I didn't make that argument[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I said was most races are human size. Changing from human size to a human sized skeleton does nothing. Big races have plenty of options to shrink themselves as well. The only time where Skeleton Illusion can play a decent role for size changing is small races (going from gnome size to human size, for example). However, the need for that situation is not very common, and many small race classes have other options to deal with this. Most zones that have this problem can be levitated in. ToV was specifically mentioned, since levitate doesn't work in there. However, Gnomes/Halflings/Dwarfs are rarely doing things in ToV that require absolute speed when going over large steps. In these cases, other raid members can help you out. If you are someone who is a dedicated raid player AND a small race, AoN may indeed be worth it for you. That doesn't change the idea that is is overhyped and overpriced for most players[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Worry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you think the ability to borrow someone elses RARE item negates value for said item? Lol.

I never said this either. Of course rarity plays a role in price. That doesn't mean the item can't be considered overpriced and overhyped for what you get[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Take Rubicite Armor as an example. It isn't worth the price, and it is overhyped. That doesn't mean I am discouraging people from getting it. I think it is awesome if you have a character in full Rubicite Armor, wearing an AoN. That doesn't change those item's overall utility. The rarity is the cause for the price, not the utility.

Originally Posted by Worry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your arguments make no sense man, of course you don't need an AoN to play. That wasn't the implication, no item is required to play a class or character. The value of ANY item is due to rarity and usefulness. AoN exceeds in both categories in your own words. You can play butt ass naked on a Necro, but that doesn't mean a Zlandi's Heart should be cheaper because of that. Absolutely ridiculous. "This item is overpriced because I can constantly get ports for cheaper than the item that helps me bank almost anywhere"

I never made any of these arguments either. Not sure where you are getting this from. I never said you need AoN to play. I simply said the price of AoN isn't worth what you get. It is much easier to just fix your faction on most class/race combinations, instead of farming 200-300k for an item that does some faction adjustment for you. You could fix your faction on multiple characters before you reach 200-300k, unless you are very lucky on high value item drops.

Originally Posted by Worry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's 200k not 300k.

200k is still overpriced for what you get[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not discouraging people from getting AoN, or any other rare item whose value is dictated more by price than utility. I am simply saying AoN really isn't that great of an item, when you look at what it gives you, and when you look at what it takes to acquire it.

[questever]

This thread is spicy

[Worry]

You've convinced me, AON's are for chumps! Down with the scam!

[questever]

who's paying 300k for AoN? They barely sell at 200k

[Dreenk317]

Having duoed heavily with an AoN equipped ogre shaman. I can confirm, that on that on that class/race combo, it prolly has the least utility. Whenever I asked them they said they used it only for the cool factor. However, that being said. I played iksar, I would borrow it all the time for faction and pulling purposes. I have ground faction. The AoN is faster. With one click im NOT kos in so many places. When i pull multiple mobs and need one rooted, I can flop and am damn near impossible to accidently target with said root, which saves time and mana. When I've been in groups with multiple chars that look damn near the same. But one serves a more important purpose, such as main tank, or puller, you can pass it around and illusion the unimportant ones. Making it easier to get that clutch target swap for the heal, etc. There are practically endless uses to an AoN, just have to be creative.

[Jimjam]

A lot of AoN owners on live used to talk about how it made you immune to stun. I think they were just talking up the item due to it’s exclusivity and making it sound better than it really was.

Someone actually gifted me one on the test server. When I get my gaming rig back maybe I’ll patch in and see if it gives any extra stun resist on the modern test server using a 0AA toon.