Flowing Thought

[7thGate]

I'm almost positive this shouldn't be anywhere close to 50k in materials for a shawl. Almost the entire cost should be in the ~50 velious level combines you need to attempt to go from 158 to 162 in tailoring; everything else combined should be under 5k. You can buy the materials for that way under the cost of a Choker of the Wretched.

You still probably need 10 hours of clicking to get the tradeskills up though even with max int. 50 hours seems like a reasonable total time estimate to farm all of the stuff you need yourself and do all the tradeskilling, but in that case the cost is 0. There's no way the total time investment for a choker is under that for a shawl unless you have access to some way of making more than 1k plat/hour (which some people do, so if you're pulling 5k an hour selling some specific multiquest component or tunnel flipping or something, this doesn't apply to you).

[loramin]

The shawl is the tradeskiller epic. If you approach it as an epic, and try and tackle it in stages, it's absolutely doable for anyone on the server (or at least anyone who can grab a 60 Druid friend for the no drop SG part).

You get a powerful item (not just FT1 but pretty good stats too), it's doable without raiding, and you can break it up over the course of 100 days if you want ... but it absolutely is a timesink, as all the big quests in the game are (epics, VP key, Garzicor, Spirit Wracked Cord, etc.). Maybe even more of one than the rest ... depending on how good you are at clicking combines for hours without destroying your wrists.

[enjchanter]

Shawl is:

1. Walled behind every tradeskill in the game. Thats arguably more annoying to do than any epic.
2. The 7 charisma give enchanter vibes, but a neriad shawl is +25 charisma and completely outclasses it.
3. The stats are like on par with a 4k ec item (maybe less) 7int is meaningless, 7sta is roughly 25hp? for the classes who would actually wear it.
4. FT1 while not meaningless is mostly unnoticeable. This will not make you feel like youre over flowing with mana compared to not having it. Also you cant stack your FT of the same rank, so instead of using the better Choker of the Wretched which gives you 40hp and mana along with 8 Charisma for you chanters / clerics, you get an item that youre basically wearing for a weak effect that will make little to no difference instead of just wearing something like a squallsurge shawl.

This item is way way WAY too much effort to warrant the reward. Honestly , consider if you took the quest out and just put this item in the world in a reasonably similar difficulty of acquisition of a 6 neck or choker and think if you would still bother using this item.

[Ennewi]

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4. FT1 while not meaningless is mostly unnoticeable. This will not make you feel like youre over flowing with mana compared to not having it. Also you cant stack your FT of the same rank, so instead of using the better Choker of the Wretched which gives you 40hp and mana along with 8 Charisma for you chanters / clerics, you get an item that youre basically wearing for a weak effect that will make little to no difference instead of just wearing something like a squallsurge shawl.

With little time to meditate as a tank and no time as a puller, shawl works well on hybrids fulfilling either roles or both. All of the stats are on the lower end, but together it's enough. Even with cheap aggro spells, not having an Enchanter in group, mana problems arise sooner or later. There is Narandi's Crown of course, but shawl still has great value. Enchanters already having a buttload of innate mana regen, and access to other/better versions of FT, shawl probably would be more trouble than it's worth. To always have double digits in mana regen and theft of thought. /drool

[magnetaress]

Tradeskills are. fun.