charm: some actual evidence rather than QQ

[inyane]

Well, I've seen plenty of chanters lfg lately, and have had zero problems getting clarity at all times.

I can only conclude that the people whining, bitching, and quiting on the messages boards are the small minority.

I hope it never gets changed.

See ya!

[Splorf22]

I don't think the class is dead without charm. Charm is (was) certainly the most awesomely cool ability of the class but aside from buffs we can also be very effective in groups with slow, stun, manataps, mez, etc. Think about it: if you bring an enchanter, your damage goes up 50%, and their damage goes down 50%. It's like playing the game on a reduced difficulty setting. Enchanters are and are supposed to be awesome in groups.

The general decision here has been that Verant gets to make the decisions about what is OP and what is not. I think its pretty clear that the latest charm durations deviate from that significantly. The question is whether or not the devs will bring them back in line with classic or not. Either way, I'm not going to quit my character, and I appreciate the free server. My engineering background just feels like this is, well, wrong.

P.S. Nalkin is a mage who, despite having it explained to him several times, doesn't understand that there is a huge difference between charming in a group with a shaman/mage for malo and a cleric to heal you on charm breaks and soloing.

[Jamal]

Just throwing this out there...I charm soloed damn near everything that wasnt a dragon on in a plane in classic. Ghoul Lord, Ghoul King (I actually soloed him WITH the ghoul lord once...long story), Effreti, Fire Giants ( though I never made it to Rokyl or whatever his name is...the last named one by Nag), etc. Started in my 30's soloing the spectres in Oasis and just kept moving on from there. This was mainly just due to the fact that there was nothing else to do; and since I had no life at the time I may as well try it while the group I played with wasnt on =D

That said: I died doing it. ALOT. A whole lot. Particularly with fire giants, if I remember correctly. Charm was never very reliable in classic. Of course, I havent logged on to P1999 in months, and never leveled past like level 30 anyway, so I have no dog in the fight as to how it is here (though I plan on playing some more now that Kunark is live). I'm just pointing out that charm by it's very nature is stupidly overpowered in a game like EQ, where the power of the average MoB is so vastly superior to that of the average equal leveled PC. It was always very unreliable in classic, and even Kunark....but it wasnt really until Kunark and after that people actually tried to use it very much as a tactic. It got better in Vellious, which I always assumed was a bone Verant threw to enchanters for going from an Xpac like Kunark, where enchanters were essentially gods, to an expansion like V where most every later game (not even end game) MoB was either giant flagged, or just immune to magic...basically making enchanters only good for buffing.

[mimixownzall]

Oh, noes! Enchanters are going to have to group like the rest (most) of us!

OH THE HORROR!!!

On the Kunark Beta Test server I was boxing a 53 cleric with my 55 enchanter and clearing all of disco 1.

Tell me this isn't rediculous.

The devs have it right the way it is now.

My only suggestion is to have it work better at lower levels (mid 30's).

I used to solo specs in Oasis at 34 on live.

[Bassracerx]

this is supposed to be an MMO why is soloing so important to so many people?

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by Bassracerx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is supposed to be an MMO why is soloing so important to so many people?

My guess is one of these things:

-Sitting LFG can get old quick
-Some people can get more exp this
-Typically more PP
-The WoW generation

Or all of the above.

[ukaking]

All Enchanters that feel cheated, please play a solo warrior. K, thx.
This is a social game, become social.

[quellren]

Originally Posted by ukaking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All Enchanters that feel cheated, please play a solo warrior. K, thx.
This is a social game, become social.

By 'social' you mean 'sit at the zone line and chat with 9 other LFG'ers who can't get a group because theres 84* players in Sebilis and 72* in Karnors?'


*not an exaggeration

[Sethius]

Originally Posted by quellren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By 'social' you mean 'sit at the zone line and chat with 9 other LFG'ers who can't get a group because theres 84* players in Sebilis and 72* in Karnors?'


*not an exaggeration

By those numbers it sounds like 75 other people in Sebilis and 63 others in Karnors were successfully being social [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only 9 lfg with those numbers seems pretty decent, just sayin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Evilmog]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I still see QQing here.